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Old 15 Aug 2009, 20:59   #1 (permalink)
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when i use storm troopers in my games i usually use them as marine killers or for other heavily armed encounters so i usually give them the order first rank fire second rank fire to mop up the threat and apparently this is some what a topic of concern whether or not they can take this order and from what i can tell their is nothing that says that I can't all it says is that you use it on a single none vehicle unit in his command radius. but maybe i cant and i'm missing something ??? please let me know i just hope i haven't won my last two games by cheating.
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Old 15 Aug 2009, 21:45   #2 (permalink)
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...if the enemy is 12" away models firing lasguns may shoot three shots instead of two...
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Sorry dude, I think you've been cheating, only lasguns (not hot shot lasguns) can benifit from FRFSRF, nor can plasma, melta or any other weapon.
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Old 15 Aug 2009, 22:46   #3 (permalink)
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:-\ wow their going to get me on that. well i guess ill need a new tactic thank you thou.
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Old 15 Aug 2009, 23:31   #4 (permalink)
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No problem, one idea though, give the command squad you originally used to issue the order 3 or 4 plasmaguns, since your within 12" you won't have a problem supporting your stormtroopers and offering the extra firepower they need to wipe out the squad.
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Old 16 Aug 2009, 01:27   #5 (permalink)
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Good idea I will have to give that a shot.
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Old 16 Aug 2009, 14:02   #6 (permalink)
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I dissagree with that one, I read the rule as allowing all lasguns, frfsrf the hot shot is still a lasgun just turned up, its still the same weapon syestem. i would also argue that this is the reason that hell guns were changed to ho shot lasguns, simply for this rule
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Old 16 Aug 2009, 15:01   #7 (permalink)
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Check the weapons summary chart in the back of your dex, "Lasgun" is a specifically defined piece of wargear with a particular statline. When they say lasgun they mean lasgun, not "category of laser related weaponry." It's the same way Sternguard can't use their special ammo in stormbolters, bolt pistols, or heavy bolters.
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Old 16 Aug 2009, 18:05   #8 (permalink)
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And my problem continues the codex is so vague that this argument could go either way so i guess the debate goes on
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There is no "debate".

We have had this matter addressed in previous editions of various rulesets, usually with Space Marines - various rules have existed that grant special abilities to "Bolters". This does not include Heavy Bolters, Storm Bolters, Combi-Bolters or Hurricane Bolters unless specifically stated otherwise.

As such, FRFSRF only works on "Lasguns". Not "Any weapon similar to a Lasgun". If it isn't called Lasgun (and only Lasgun) it doesn't apply.
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With the way rules are set up, you really have to be able to cut and paste words. The ONLY way you could conceivably have a debate about FRFSRF on HS lasguns is if "hot-shot" was a special rule for Storm trooper lasguns.
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