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Hydras: I don't get it...
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 00:48   #1 (permalink)
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Help me out here guys.

The Hydra, when shooting at turbo boosting bikes negates that pesky 4+cover save they get whilst turbo boosting yeah? Great! One problem, it's AP4, which means your opponent would be taking his save of 3+ anyway, since most bikes (jetbikes, marine bikes, etc) have 3+ saves.

Or am I overlooking something?
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 01:11   #2 (permalink)
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There ARE bikes with 4+ armor saves though - Space Marine scout bikes, Ork bikes, and probably others - those are the bikes you'll be aiming at.

That's like complaining about a Heavy Flamer not slaughtering marines that have Gone to Ground in area terrain, since they've got a 3+ armor save and ignoring the 3+ cover save does nothing - that's because the gun isn't powerful enough to easily penetrate the armor, not that it has trouble reaching the target.

So what you're missing, i guess, is perspective - the Hydra's systems make it better at tracking its targets, but it doesn't make the gun any better at penetrating the armor of what it DOES hit. The Hydra's guns are for taking down light transports and light bike squads moving at high speeds.

The fact of the matter is that the Hydra has a decent amount of high strength shots with great accuracy - even without penetrating a SM biker's armor, they still might kill a few.
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 01:19   #3 (permalink)
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Ork Warbikerz (normal Warbikerz and Nob Bikerz) still get their 4+ Cover Save due to their Exhaust Cloud Special Rule so the only Bike unit that the Hydra is effective against is Space Marine Scout Bikers.
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 01:22   #4 (permalink)
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It also works against fast moving skimmers too.
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 01:54   #5 (permalink)
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 10:08   #6 (permalink)
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Scarabs it would work quite well as long as it has line of sight...

To be honest thtat rule is mainly used for ignoring the skimmer save, and to be honest I more often then not still dont fire at them (firing at troop carrying rhinos and such is much more effective with that gun)
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Scarabs it would work quite well as long as it has line of sight...

To be honest thtat rule is mainly used for ignoring the skimmer save, and to be honest I more often then not still dont fire at them (firing at troop carrying rhinos and such is much more effective with that gun)
Yes because every marine or chaos army has skimmer transports AND rhinos!
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 10:56   #8 (permalink)
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it should work well to bring down jetbikes?
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 11:02   #9 (permalink)
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Ork Warbikerz (normal Warbikerz and Nob Bikerz) still get their 4+ Cover Save due to their Exhaust Cloud Special Rule so the only Bike unit that the Hydra is effective against is Space Marine Scout Bikers.
Why do they still get the cover save? I thought it ignores cover saves?
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Old 12 Aug 2009, 11:21   #10 (permalink)
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Ork Warbikerz (normal Warbikerz and Nob Bikerz) still get their 4+ Cover Save due to their Exhaust Cloud Special Rule so the only Bike unit that the Hydra is effective against is Space Marine Scout Bikers.
Why do they still get the cover save? I thought it ignores cover saves?
They Hydra specifically only ignores the cover saves of Skimmers moving at Flat Out speed and of Bikes Turbo Boosting. Ork Warbikes have their own special rule granting them their own cover save and, as this cover save is not generated by either moving Flat Out or Turbo Boosting, the Hyrda does not negate that cover save.
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