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Old 06 Dec 2008, 20:13   #1 (permalink)
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Sup, peeps? Anyways, Lots of people (1) want to know what is the best stuff to give a Commissar in general.This is what I Said:
power weapon, bolt pistol, krak grenades, carapace armour (most standard guns are AP:5), refractor field and bionics.
Got any better stuff? Thanks ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Old 06 Dec 2008, 20:39   #2 (permalink)
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power weapon, bolt pistol, krak grenades, carapace armour refractor field and bionics.

power weapon, (plasma pistol) and refractor field (frag grenades).

-lets face it we do play the most expendible team in the game so why bother with saves and such.
-Krak grenades are nice but save tank hunting to more expendible guys like stormies.
-The bolt pistols suck, plasmas are much better at taking down large targets.
-Can't remember what refracters do and io can't find my codex, but since i don't know what it is and have been playing guard for roughly two years it can't be all that great.

and its roughly the same points.
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Old 06 Dec 2008, 21:16   #3 (permalink)
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Why give them anything? 40 points is extremely expensive for a guard unit. I only use them for the +1 LD to my HSO, and only in games larger than 1k
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Old 06 Dec 2008, 21:31   #4 (permalink)
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If I were to run one (I currently don't but plan to), I would give him a power fist and a bolt pistol, as I believe that the best way to work in a higher strength CCW is with a Commissar (and he looks bad D'yi). I would take this guy with Independent Commissars, and run him with a unit of 50 Conscripts. That unit would either stay in cover (if possible) to hold down any objectives in my deployment zone, or, in Annihilation they would be a meat shield to more fragile and/or less useful kill points (E.G. command squads).

With 52 wounds, they are fairly resilient even in flak armour. Plus, if they get charged, they aren't going anywhere (besides a massive CC unit like 30 Boyz or Chaos Termie champs, but there are better things to kill than Conscripts) as the Commissar just plugs a 4 point model and they stay put.
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Old 06 Dec 2008, 21:41   #5 (permalink)
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Sup, peeps? Anyways, Lots of people (1) want to know what is the best stuff to give a Commissar in general.This is what I Said:
power weapon, bolt pistol, krak grenades, carapace armour (most standard guns are AP:5), refractor field and bionics.
Got any better stuff? Thanks ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Giving a commissar all of that adds up, really fast. I prefer, cheap, and effective, I usually take 5 commissares, as I feild a massed infantry assault wave type force, if half my officers are shot in the process, but my army doesn't run away. Awsome!

I usually only take a power weapon, and a bolt pistol, sometimes plasma, if I've got the points, and that's for my independant Comissares.
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Old 07 Dec 2008, 19:30   #6 (permalink)
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Remember this golden rule;

Commissars are NOT Independent Characters!

That means you can't single them out. That means, so long as there are other models alive in the unit, he's safe.

Use this to your advantage; slap on a Power Fist, and massacre everyone!
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Old 07 Dec 2008, 20:43   #7 (permalink)
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The only problem with not making them IC's is that in order to have one attached to say a 50-man squad of conscripts, you need to take enough to fill in all of your officer retinues first. Pretty crappy.
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The only problem with not making them IC's is that in order to have one attached to say a 50-man squad of conscripts, you need to take enough to fill in all of your officer retinues first. Pretty crappy.
Unless you take the Independent Commissar Doctrine
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Old 08 Dec 2008, 05:14   #9 (permalink)
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But then they're IC's are are easily singled out in CC. Also the base cost is increased to 50 points per model. That's outrageous for IG. So in that case Commissar with a power fist does jack. Personally I only use them for a plus 1ld to my HSO and only in 1.5K+
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personally I just give my commisars the same equipment as the officer they are with.

I run two. One with a power fist(my favorite) and one with a power weapon and plasma pistol(mostly to give a second officer LD10, to spread LD around). And because I run hardened fighters and carapace they have a 4+ save and WS 5(hits marines on 3s ;D ) Of course I'll only send them against tactical marines and devastators(And other non-CC based units, made alot easier with deep strike) but shoot the hell out of the CC units.

they do pretty well and I've yet to see a marine squad come out well of 7 power fist attacks(9 on the charge) and that's not counting the normal attacks from the guardsmen themself.
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