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Doing a proxy battle soon
Old 09 Aug 2008, 17:55   #1 (permalink)
Kroot Shaper
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Default Doing a proxy battle soon

I wrote a 1500 point list yesterday and my friends agreed to play using proxies. They are bringing their best forces (Khorne CSM, Necrons, Eldar, and Orks) and my Imperial Guard will be a mix of Tau and Thousand Sons (And parts of a Cadian Battleforce). The game will also be the first time trying out the 5th edition rules (had it, just never used it).

So, what should I expect against fine-tuned army lists vs a list I thought up of in a couple minutes? Their tactics have been pretty much polished to the point where we are almost completely equal (and the thought of a Monolith doesn't make us tinkle ourselves).
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Old 09 Aug 2008, 19:02   #2 (permalink)
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There are three major elements that determine the likely victor of any game: Army list composition; deployment; and tactics. If you've already settled on your list then that restricts the sort of recommendations we may make, so if you care for our advice you should be prepared to potentially rewrite your army list. I won't go into all the armies you specified as it would take too long. But, of the armies listed, I have fought Eldar more often so I guess I'll address them:

Eldar are traditionally lightning fast; using fleet of foot and the best transports in the game to get devastating close quarters specialists where they are needed most. Though all armies now have the ability to 'run', that in no way diminishes the Eldar's advantage. They will move fast because the vast majority of their weapons work best up close and so they won't mind forgoing their shooting phase. Most Eldar units are at their best in close quarters so keep that in mind; you'll want to keep them at arms length. Ideally, this means boring gun line fghting. The weapon of choice for your heavy weapons teams should be the autocannon. Before 5th edition, autocannons were mathematically matched to lascannons in their ability to inflict glancing hits against Eldar skimmers (and were even better against rear armour and light skimmers). This is still true, but now it is possible to inflict penetrating hits on skimmers, so that makes the lascannon superior in that sense. Nonetheless, autocannons remain superb weapons, especially en masse, as they are quite capable of doing harm to skimmers and can also be turned on Eldar infantry (they typically possess 4+ saves).

Depending on whether or not your Eldar opponent(s) are powergamers, you may see more than one Wraithlord on the table. Either way, you should anticipate at least one, and very possibly the Avatar of Khaine too. The latter is fair game for autocannon teams, but the former may prove a little more stubborn. A squad of Ratling snipers is a damn fine means of dispatching hard-as-nails monsterous creatures.

Eldar aspect warriors are typically quite expensive and most Eldar players favour aspect warriors over massed guardian squads, so the Eldar model count is likely to be comparitively low. The fifth edition rules allow you to essentially force particular models to take their own personal saves if you put enough wounds on the unit. Because wounds are now assigned before saves are taken, it is entirely possible to plant five wounds on a five-strong aspect warrior squad and force the exarch to make his own save (so no longer will the Exarchs remain a thorn in your side as the last man standing so long as you can inflict enough wounds).

Tanks are very nice because they can carry so many heavy bolters and their ordnance weapons can merrily dispatch the more heavily armoured aspect warriors, but you should note that the Eldar have the means to destroy them quite easily, whether by way of Warp Spiders jumping in behind them; Swooping Hawks hitting them with haywire grenades; Fire Dragons dismounting from a Falcon to unleash melta death; bright lances fired from afar; or the Avatar of Khaine and his mate -the Wraithlord- skewering them with their giant swords. Do not hinge your battle plans on your vehicles - they will die. That said, however, you should definitely take at least one Hellhound. They are superb for exterminating pesky Rangers and aspect warriors in general. Besides, given that bright lances consider all AV values to be no greater than 12, you might as well not spend points for armour that will be negated. The Hellhound is devastating and relatively inexpensive.

Your primary targets should always be the Wave Serpends and Falcons, everything else can wait. If you can stop them dead on the first turn you can spend the rest of the game mowing down the troops that were transported within as they footslog across the battlefield to get at you. Remember, it is almost always an elite close quarters unit within an expensive transport like a Wave Serpent or a Falcon, and you want to do everything in your power to stop such units getting amongst your gun line.

Keep in mind that the 5th edition rules allow for scout units to enter from the flanks; this puts your support units in danger. Don't be surprised when a squadron of war walkers emerges next to your Basilisk and turns the crew inside out. I wouldn't actually take a Basilisk against an Eldar army as their usefulness and life expectancy is dubious at best, but you get the point; expect a flank attack.

Uh...well I guess that's all I can really think of at the moment. Hope I've told you something you don't already know.
Originally Posted by Colonel_Sanders
When all was finished, the battlefield was a smoking crater. UDC, Valoran, US Army, Tau, the Nazis, a random pirate ship, and a bunch of ninjas, all were enemies to the Vulture. All were turned into scrap metal. Or plastic. Depends which game system you play.
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Old 09 Aug 2008, 20:17   #3 (permalink)
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Trust me, I know how sneaky those Eldar are. I play Thousand Sons, and they just run circles around me....'til I pop a Bolt of Tzeentch. I have my list in the army lists section, and seeing as this is going to be a proxy battle... any and all comments would be appreciated.

Damn those Harlequins!!!
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