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Old 21 Jul 2008, 03:08   #1 (permalink)
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Hello to all the guard players out there!

I'm lauren, I play tyranids and have a project log some of you will have seen. I am looking at doing an adeptus mechanicus force as my next conversion project (sometime over summer, I think(My summer, that is)). But some of the questions i had was in regards to the armoured company / battlgroup lists.

I've read through the "re-organising the articles" thread and came up with a few 5th-ed related questions;
  • Is it now impossible for AC teams to "win" two out of three scenarios unless they achieve complete wipeout of the enemy (no non-vehicle "troop" selections)
  • Is it now imperative to have some sort of infantry guarding your tanks due to the "strike rear armour" rule?
  • Is AC even remotely legal anymore?
  • Has anyone heard any rumours about a list upgrade or rebuild of the battlegroup (the Imperial Armour one)

And some fluff-related ones:
  • How do the adeptus mechanicus investigation teams interact with guardsmen in a warzone?
  • How do titan legions interact/work in a warzone?
  • Would there be a commissar attached to a unit of guardsmen seconded to an adeptus mechanicus search? Or even to a titan company if it was working with the IG?
  • Is there any fluff around about what it takes to creat/train a princeps?[/li


Cheers all, and thanks
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Old 21 Jul 2008, 07:44   #2 (permalink)
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Is it now impossible for AC teams to "win" two out of three scenarios unless they achieve complete wipeout of the enemy (no non-vehicle "troop" selections)
You can never win unless you got Infantry from your Troops FoC. The most you can get is a tie with your vehicles contesting, no capturing.

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Is it now imperative to have some sort of infantry guarding your tanks due to the "strike rear armour" rule?
Especially dangerous against those fleeting units like Gaunts. Preferably, Guard will have some infantry escorts for the Tanks.

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Is AC even remotely legal anymore?
Friendly game, maybe (Ask your opponent's permission to use it) Tournaments? That depend on the tournament itself. Ask the officials.

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Has anyone heard any rumours about a list upgrade or rebuild of the battlegroup (the Imperial Armour one)
Nope. Just the IG Codex might give us the option to field more Tanks.

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How do the adeptus mechanicus investigation teams interact with guardsmen in a warzone?
AdMech's thoughts of Guardsmen: They're stupid but still useful.
Guardmen's thoughts of AdMech: They're creepy but we need them.

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How do titan legions interact/work in a warzone?
Normally, the Vanguard to crush heavily fortified positions. There's a Princep Majoris (If I'm not mistaken about the rank) that lead the Titan Legion, he would normally pilot a Emperor Class Titan or the very least, a Warlord. He normally take commands from the Lord General or whatever Commander is in charge of the battle.

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Would there be a commissar attached to a unit of guardsmen seconded to an adeptus mechanicus search? Or even to a titan company if it was working with the IG?
Only to IG. That's where their jurisdiction begin and end.

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Is there any fluff around about what it takes to creat/train a princeps?
Yes, but its very old. It's from a Warhammer 40000 comic. I'm not on my computer right now. I'll get back to you on that.

Hope this helps.

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Old 21 Jul 2008, 12:04   #3 (permalink)
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Is it now impossible for AC teams to "win" two out of three scenarios unless they achieve complete wipeout of the enemy (no non-vehicle "troop" selections)
You can never win unless you got Infantry from your Troops FoC. The most you can get is a tie with your vehicles contesting, no capturing.
Thats not true - Lauren herself pointed out that victory can still be attained in any mission by completely exterminating the opposition. Furthermore, the Armoured Battlegroup includes an Armoured Fist troop choice, thus providing a core of troops with which to crash out and claim objectives while the dust is settling.
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Old 21 Jul 2008, 14:30   #4 (permalink)
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Ah, right. Sorry :P you can win by completely obliterating the opposition :P
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Old 22 Jul 2008, 10:57   #5 (permalink)
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If you wipe out every single enemy unit but have no troops left is it a draw?
even if you only lost your troop choices.
A tactic to look into.
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Old 22 Jul 2008, 13:07   #6 (permalink)
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AH! I remembered; There was some good Graphic Novels about Titans: Click here for more info. And there's a rulebook on it for Epic. So, you have to 'acquire' it somehow; e-bay or something :P

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Old 22 Jul 2008, 13:10   #7 (permalink)
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If you wipe out every single enemy unit but have no troops left is it a draw?
even if you only lost your troop choices.
A tactic to look into.
Well no, the rulebook is pretty clear:

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Regardless of the victory conditions, if at the end of any standard mission your opponent has no units left on the table, you win the game!
Makes sense to me from a fluff point of view too - If there's no enemy left to threaten an objective, it doesn't need defending.
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It makes sense from a common sense point of view as well. :
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With regards to force interaction. The Ad Mech must be requested or choose to join in a battle themselves. They can refuse to do so and usually do unless it serves their interests.

They have their own fighting arm of the organisation that is a match for Guard forces. They interact the same as other organisations do. The Magos in charge of the Ad Mech Forces will be part of the War Council, just as any Marine support will have their Captains part of this. They discuss the best course of action and the commander in charge decides how they are deployed and how they fight.

Guardsmen probably see Skiitari legions etc as a little strange but they fight alongside them and respect their prowess. Many Skiitari legions are very similar to Guard regiments, they arent all massively augmented.

The Titans are usually quite autonomous. They do what they want, they fight the battles they want to fight. I think some Princeps even do what they want despite the wishes of a Magos. They are normally a spearhead force. The most senior Princep will also be part of the War Council but he usually decides where his Titans are used and when to withdraw them.

You can have a Commissar with Guardsmen who are working with a Mechanicus research team, most often though the Mechanicus will use their own troops and Skiitari legions rather than ask the Guard to supply men.
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Old 24 Jul 2008, 04:52   #10 (permalink)
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Just thanking your all for your replies.

Keep an eye out towrards the end of the year to see what comes of this
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