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Krootox as Ogryn? (Gue'vesa Guard)
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Old 15 Jun 2008, 21:13   #1 (permalink)
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Now that I'm almost done with my Kroot army (aside from trying to procure Knarlocs : ) , I'm looking to get back into building a Tau Empire Alliance of Tau, IG as Gue'Vesa, and Kroot Mercenaries.

Now, with the setup of the army I would usually run I have no real use for the 10 Krootox I have procured over the years. Additionally, I like the rules for Ogryn as far as a combat squad goes, but hate the models for them. What I was thinking of is just using my Krootox models as stand-ins for an ogryn squad, with a shaper as the Bone'ead.

What experience do you have with using Ogryn in-game, and how do you think they would fare alongside Tau and Kroot?
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Old 16 Jun 2008, 00:15   #2 (permalink)
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They're not particularly effective in close combat, and they're utterly useless in the shooting phase, but for your substantial points investment you get a unit that can merrily soak up fire and storm on with belligerent indifference. They're good for tying units up in close combat, but too expensive to make such a role worthwhile.

Personally, I see Ogryns as a bit of a point-sink. They certainly add character to an army though. I love their simple bull-headedness, but I'm not a fan of the models and they don't really fit into what my idea of the Imperial Guard is.
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Old 16 Jun 2008, 12:07   #3 (permalink)
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Ogryns are great because of their psychological factor. They aren't really that good in close combat because of their average weapon skill and initiative, but your opponent thinks they are good at close combat, so he will sometimes dedicate one of his units to destroying them, which means less firepower heading towards the troops you need. The best thing about Ogryns is that they can take quite a bit of firepower before going down, so they will keep your opponent busy.

Might I also add, that against a normal Marine tactical squad, they do well since they strike at the same time and have the same WS, but are much stronger and have multiple wounds. Against dedicated assault units though, they will get destroyed.

Or if somebody is mean enough to drop a battle cannon shot on them...
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Old 16 Jun 2008, 13:28   #4 (permalink)
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Might I also add, that against a normal Marine tactical squad, they do well since they strike at the same time and have the same WS, but are much stronger and have multiple wounds. Against dedicated assault units though, they will get destroyed.
They don't strike at the same time; Space Marines strike first. I think initiative is often overlooked by people when measuring a unit's close combat worth. If your opponent gets to make twenty or so attacks against you before you get to roll a dice, there's a good chance a large proportion of your models will be missing when it comes to their turn.
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Old 16 Jun 2008, 16:06   #5 (permalink)
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They both have initiative four.
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Old 16 Jun 2008, 16:33   #6 (permalink)
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Ogryns have 3, Marines have 4. Marines will mop the floor with ogryns because of the sheer number of attacks they get by comparison. Back to the topic at hand, if you want to use Krootox to proxy as Ogryns, go right ahead, it goes along with the theme of your army and gives you a use for the Krootox models you have (other than making nice paperweights of course). In my opinion, I would keep them as Krootox since they cost less points wise and have the advantage in the shoot phase. Down side to this would be their lack of armour and 1 less toughness. When all is said and done, use what you want to use, come up with a story to explain it, and no one will have a problem with you playing with them.
As an afterthought, I use High Elf Cavalry with guardsman heads and laspistols to proxy for Rough Riders because I hate the "Mongolian looking" Rough Rider miniatures with respect to the theme of my army. No one complains about it because it matches what would be expected of an army modeled around a USO show. They also think it is funny as heck to have an equestrian troop in an IG army.
Hope this helps, have fun with your new themed army.
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Old 16 Jun 2008, 16:48   #7 (permalink)
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*Checks codex*

Son of a bitch, they do have three. My mistake. Nork Deddog has four.
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