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Old 27 Apr 2008, 04:18   #1 (permalink)
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Yes, I know "Drop troops don't have heavy armour!" But I really wanted to combine my two loves, German Blitzkrieg tactics and Airbourn infantry, of which I have/had family connections to.

How outlandish would it be to come up with an Elysian (Or any other drop troop style fighting force, for that matter) would have armoured companies? I am using different models such as die cast shermans and others instead of leman russes (With my two Russes becoming demolishers.) so that they look lighter and more compact.

Could these vehicles be transported quickly? I know in todays times we can transport vehicles like the Stryker APC/IFV in a C-37 (And another one called a herculese, C-something) so would the imperial guard have some form of a 'buffed up' Valkyrie to transport tanks, or a whole other vehicle?

Is this idea just me getting my hopes up, my writing talent begging to be used, or just stupid?

I would not use the both at the same time, it is just for fluff, my own happiness and a co-ordinated paint schem as well.

Thanks all-
Gecko

P.S if anyone wants info on the tanks I am using, just PM me. They are much cheaper than GW prices, and I am planning on an armoured company for $50 CDN to add onto my 2 chimeras and 2 russes. (Not flame baiting!)
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 08:43   #2 (permalink)
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Well, I can imagine a Chimera easily being dropped, or something of roughly the same size - Salamanders, Hellhounds, maybe even a Basilisk done up to look like a proper tank hunter or close support tank, like the StuG's used by the Germans in WWII. All could be flown in by glider - if you're old fashioned - or dropped low altitude. They're lightly armored, and not too heavily armed. But the Leman Russ is simply far too heavy, and dropping one, or a count-as, in seems dangerously awkward at best. The sheer size of the things are the issue; dropping a Chimera is akin to unloading a cabinet from a truck; difficult, but not hard, and your average truck can handle it.

Replace the furniture with an elephant, and you have to upsize the truck. Replace the Chimera with a Russ, and we're looking at a jumbo jet cruising at obscenely low altitudes to try and drop several dozen tons of steel. On a tiny target. Without hurting it. While enemy fighters and AAA try to chew it up.

It seems like a bad idea to me. Of course, this is 40k, and you can fill in the blanks however you choose. Perhaps your regiment uses Zeppelins, and from their behemoth holds they use special drop pods to softly shove the Russes towards the ground.
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 12:03   #3 (permalink)
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The U.S. M1A2 Abrams MBT can be air dropped. Why not the Russ?
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 14:11   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah, that was one of my main points. During the Vietnam war the U.S forces used the "Sheridan" airbourn tank, where C-37 and the said other herculese would fly low and fast, and the vehicle would be pushed out the ramp, and land on the ground. It lands still attached to shock absorbers, which the tank drives off once the crew reach the vehicle.

It would be an interesting conversion, that is for sure!
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 15:20   #5 (permalink)
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The U.S. M1A2 Abrams MBT can be air dropped. Why not the Russ?
Though I agree with your arguement, applying some real world concepts to this game doesn't exactly work.

Either way, the Drop Troops doctrine only applies to infantry (and sentinels) and everything else deploys conventionally. As long as you're not going to deep strike a Russ or any thing other than infantry during my game I won't have any problems behind a fluffy drop troop with armour army.
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 15:26   #6 (permalink)
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The U.S. M1A2 Abrams MBT can be air dropped. Why not the Russ?
Though I agree with your arguement, applying some real world concepts to this game doesn't exactly work.

Either way, the Drop Troops doctrine only applies to infantry (and sentinels) and everything else deploys conventionally. As long as you're not going to deep strike a Russ or any thing other than infantry during my game I won't have any problems behind a fluffy drop troop with armour army.
The Tau can air drop XV8s and Firewarriors from Orcas, why shouldn't the guard be able to drop one Russ?

And it's the C-130 Gecko.

Anyway, you could probably have it to where you call on the Russ in your movement phase and it's airdropped in the assault phase, to be used next turn. Must be dropped within X" inches of a friendly unit (that way you can't drop it in the middle of the enemy deployment zone) and the earliest it can be called on is turn 2.
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 15:35   #7 (permalink)
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The Tau can air drop XV8s and Firewarriors from Orcas, why shouldn't the guard be able to drop one Russ?
The Tau are the only army whose level of technology is actually progressing. So they are by far not the standard when it comes to gauging the other armies in the 40K universe. Yet they still don't have codex rules to deepstrike a Hammerhead during the game. As I said, I don't mind the idea of armour being dropped off before the fight from overhead just not during the game.

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Old 27 Apr 2008, 15:59   #8 (permalink)
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Ah right! The C-130!

And I wasn't fully intending to play them at the same time, and if I did, it would be 2 detachments. The drop troops, and then the armoured company, seperatly.

This is more of a debate on weather it could be done, and should I do some conversion work on the miniatures to make it even cooler.

One of my ideas was converting my chimera to have jets facing downwards, so that when it is dropped from a high flying aircraft, the jets activate and slow its descent, but I am not sure if that would work. The crew would probably have to drop in seperatly.

I am open to all suggestions on how to model, and explain in fluff terms an air-dropped armoured company. I may even make a VDR for them, and give them less armour, cost a little less but have a special rule or two (Maybe an additional D6 to the deployment range?)

Thanks a bunch
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 16:03   #9 (permalink)
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I was thinking, you know how the Imperial Guard buildings are dropped onto the ground in DoW with those four engines attached, maybe, if you could convert to something similar, then, you could say that the Leman Russ was dropped just like how the C-130 drops it's cargo? Then have the engines so they are able to attach and detach.

You could say that the Leman Russ has been dropped when the engines are attached, then you could detach them next turn saying it's landed?

Just an idea.
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Yes, I know "Drop troops don't have heavy armour!" But I really wanted to combine my two loves, German Blitzkrieg tactics and Airbourn infantry, of which I have/had family connections to.
Well, the problem is that Elysian Armoured Company is a contradiction in terms. :-\

Aside from spamming Sentinels, I'm not sure you could really do anything...
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