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Old 17 Feb 2008, 02:33   #1 (permalink)
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Hey i was just wondering what tactics people use to beat the eldar. I'm using this army list http://forums.tauonline.org/index.php?topic=60328.0. Any tips and tricks would help! My opponent usually uses pathfinders, autarch(sp?), Howling banshees, farseer, Dire avengers that's all i can think of at the moment.

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Old 17 Feb 2008, 05:19   #2 (permalink)
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as a former guard player and current eldar player i figure i am maybe qualified to give you some advice. i cant edit your army list, but just give you some things to think about.

first.... put your squads close so we cant pick off isolated targets. a clumped army is better than a spread one when the eldar are so much easily maneuverable and it's Eldar101 to utilize the fact that almost every model is hefting an assault weapon and they move ALL THE TIME

second... if they use falcons... worry more about the squads inside and less about the falcons. the amount of dice you will have to pour on one to bring it down is huge, and it really doesnt do much damage compared to how hard it is to kill

wraithlords... just tie them up with a large bunch of meat and they'll have a 150-200 point model tied up the whole game smooshing little guardsmen 1 or 2 at a time.

...the ones to watch out for:
warwalkers: huge amount of fire, but easy to kill. prime target. especially when they are in groups. They are easy to kill but if you dont they will be dishing out a load of cheap heavy weapon hits on you

vypers: i dont know many players who even use these and those that do usually use only 1. if someone uses lots of them they should be your essential target. they hit hard, and they will be constantly repositioning themselves to block themselves from LOS.

regarding the rest of the infantry... remember that they are all specialists so if they are getting close to you they are probably more than able to chew thru you in assault. leave a meatshield squad in front of you when they start getting too close. if they are far away then they are good at that
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Old 17 Feb 2008, 15:53   #3 (permalink)
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Well your heavy bolters will tear through most of his men (Dire Avengers 2+ to kill.)
Farseers are very nasty, even before you upgrade them the stupid amount of powers they have the possibility of taking and the invunrable saves so you can try to either force her die from "Perils Of The Warp" or just simply kill her with massed fire, (try a plasma if she is not immune to instant death the plasma will kill her instantly double strength to toughness.)
Pathfinders: are annoying he will keep them in cover beacuse of the +2 cover save, so if you just hit him with a flamer it should kill them as it ignores their saves and cover saves.
Banshees: very scary as they have power weapons (i think) so probably a must have doctrine is Xeno-Fighters, or just the normal way is Heavy Bolters or Auto Cannons.
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Old 17 Feb 2008, 16:02   #4 (permalink)
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Autocannons are very nasty against Eldar. They can take down all their skimmers and can cut swaths through their infantry as well. Try and stick to cover as they have a great deal of deadly ranged weapons. Also, make sure to prioritize your shooting. Shoot what 'really' needs to be killed. Why shoot the wraithlord across the table, when a squad of warwalkers will be a much bigger nuisance. As said, keep in mind their speed.

The list your going against seems pretty reasonable. Get a Leman russ in there (or two) and blast 'em.
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Old 17 Feb 2008, 16:57   #5 (permalink)
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beat eldar with pure numbers. their models are expensive, and you can fieldlike 2 or 3 to 1 odds. their cc abilities usually get lost in a platoon of conscripts with flamers and heavy weapon squads can handle their tanks and transports.
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 04:04   #6 (permalink)
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Well Eldar eh. I started them once, couldn't actually go through with it (too expensive). But i did glean some thing off them. They can balance shooty and assaulty, and can go either way well.

If you go against a shooty eldar, TAKE COVER!- take chamoline and find a cozy building to hold up in.

If they are assaulty, fight back- their shooting will be more limited so take carapace or grenadiers and meet them half way with more las bolts than they can count, it doesn't hurt to have some auto cannons or heavy bolters in there.

If they are mixed well some Armour doesn't hurt- Ordinace in most cases will beat psykers. loads of gun hanging out of a chimera isn't half bad (12 las shots, 3 heavy bolter shots, 3 multi las shots, and if you planed well a missile or 2 auto cannon shots, and maybe even 3 more stubber shots).

At the end of the day eldar are fast and hit hard, remember guardsmen are expendable so don't sweat losing one just stay focused.
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Old 18 Feb 2008, 23:25   #7 (permalink)
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farseers are crippled by the fact that their 'attacks' characteristic kind of sucks so they really aren't much of a threat that way. Their powers are mostly supportive (except 'mindwar' which is just giving a spanking to someone for having a huge ubermonster model in the army, and 'eldritch storm' which is utterly useless so far as I have seen) It's the squad they are supporting that you have to worry about. 'Doom' doesn't accomplish anything without the squad to dakka away and take advantage of it, and as has been pointed out our squads are way more pricey than yours so there will be a small number of squads able to take advantage of it. The one I run uses a phoenix lord and full squad of dark reapers with a farseer who fortunes them so they reroll failed saves, guides them so they reroll failed hits, and mindwars anything huge that wants to get close to them. Its a seriously scary setup but if I were playing against it I would take that 700ish points worth of nasty mean killy unbreakable cover save havin jerks and make them irrelevant by staying out of their fire lane because eldar guns cost so much and to have them not moving and firing every turn is wasteful of much needed points. You outnumber us massively and you pay far less for your weapons than we do. Take advantage of that.

1 dire avenger is like 2 or 3 guardsmen and dies just as easily... if you can draw a bead on it.

Eldar players (or at least the good ones that I have met over the years) take advantage of maneuver and the fact that they are way more capable of it than you. Take that advantage away. Sit in a clump with your autocannons or (even better) heavy bolters and make them come to you because you trying to get to them is just inviting them to run another ring around you and they are ALL assault weapons when most of yours are move-OR-fire.

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Old 20 Feb 2008, 07:15   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks for the replies, i've been away doing CATIA training and haven't hopped on for a while. Were going to play on an open field with little terrain, the advantage is that he likes to hide his farseer away from combat. On a unrelated note if he doesn't use a very fast moving army eg: no jetbike thingy's, falcons should i just sit back and shoot away? or will i be out-shot? (is that even possible?)

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Old 20 Feb 2008, 11:07   #9 (permalink)
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if he uses banshee/scorpians get a sentinal to go in combat with em they cant hurt it cept exarchs so tie em up or just mob em or just get loads of heavy weapons also look out for falcons pulse laser is very nasty against tanks
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Old 20 Feb 2008, 12:08   #10 (permalink)
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Sorry Kytoy but if you engage a unit of scorpions you will be lucky if your sentinel lasts one turn even without and exarch, the unit has 3 attacks per model at S4 able to glance the vehicle but the more deady fact are those stength 5 plasma grenades, and with a power of an exarch the chances are heightened, especially with those biting blades and scorpion claws. Banshees would probably be the only exception, but the exarch can have an executioner which could cause problems.
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