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Leman Russ Annihilator: The New Vanquisher?
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Old 13 May 2007, 14:21   #1 (permalink)
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As many of you know, Forge World recently rolled out it's latest variant of the Leman Russ: The Annihilator, with the same twin-linked Lascannons as it's Space Marine namesake:



I recently started thinking about the implications this vehicle has in an Armoured Battlegroup - particularly, if it could fill the roll of the Vanquisher as the premiere tank hunter of the Treadheads.

The first stroke in favour of this vehicle is the price tag: While a Vanquisher will cost you 35 points more than a standard Russ, the Annihilator will fetch you ten points less.

Next up is firepower versus rate of fire. As far as your sheer AP roll goes, the Vanquisher clearly wins against most vehicles, with an average of 15. However, you're gambling with a single 50% chance of hitting (or 66% with a Command Vehicle or Commissar Tank). The Annihilator has a 75% chance of hitting home with its turret, and can even use the hull Lascannon in the same turn. Moreover, against Necrons the las-blasting version is a clear winner: With it's extra die removed by Living Metal, the Vanquisher turret becomes almost useless against the floating chunk of old cheddar, needing a 6 to even glance.

Lastly, there's the point of alternate roll usage. A Vanquisher can, like the Russ, put down a 'pie plate of doom' and spell death for MEqs and anything lesser than them, without requiring Ballistic Skillz. However, the Annihilator has a great boon in its multiple AP2 weapons; where a Vanquisher would fail, the Annihilator can go toe-to-toe in a shooting war with Broadsides and Obliterators, as well as mercilessly hunt down TEq foes.

In future, my Commissariat vehicles will not be Vanquishers, but Annihilators. Will yours?
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Old 13 May 2007, 14:40   #2 (permalink)
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...In future, my Commissariat vehicles will not be Vanquishers, but Annihilators. Will yours?
'H'-'E'-double hockey sticks, no! Slick loading BS4 Vanquishers rock my world. But I'll only field one in a normal sized battlegroup, more than that would be cheesy. If I can twist my opponent's arm into letting me field an annihilator in my battlegroup as my second 'command' type vehicle then I will, but the Annihilator's restrictive rules mean I can't take one in either my battlegroup or an armoured company. I don't want to have to try to twist the Siege regiment list into an all-tank list just to field it legally, and the codex list just isn't flexible enough for that. Maybe the Annihilator will be a choice for other lists too, but for now I still favour the Vanquisher for its horrifying power against the toughest vehicles and its effectiveness against Meqs. This makes it a clear favourite in my book; the Annihilator is just a little too specific in its ideal targets. The greatly reduced price tag does make it appealing as a budget tank slayer, though.

Sure is a pretty looking turret too though, eh? The Predator Annihilator turret makes an excellent stand in for those players afraid of buying Forge World stuff. I was quite surprised to find it was such an excellent fit.
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Old 13 May 2007, 14:45   #3 (permalink)
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+++I prefer the Vanquisher, it looks more... tank like :+++
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Old 13 May 2007, 15:25   #4 (permalink)
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...In future, my Commissariat vehicles will not be Vanquishers, but Annihilators. Will yours?
Hell, no! Slick loading BS4 Vanquishers rock my world.
Eh, I just wanted a catchy, WWIIish line to finish off my essay with . In terms of nomenclature, I think the Vanquisher is more suited to vanquishing terrible enemies, while the Annihilator... well... annihilates all hints of treason or heresy.

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Annihilator's restrictive rules mean I can't take one in either my battlegroup or an armoured company.
To the best of my knowledge, rules for AB/AC usage won't exist until IAvol5 rolls out. Till then, I'd think the Annihilator should be usable at least by command units and probably in the space of normal tanks. It's much easier to make a pair of Lascannons than a Plasma Destroyer or Vanquisher Cannon.
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To the best of my knowledge, rules for AB/AC usage won't exist until IAvol5 rolls out. Till then, I'd think the Annihilator should be usable at least by command units and probably in the space of normal tanks. It's much easier to make a pair of Lascannons than a Plasma Destroyer or Vanquisher Cannon.
Oh right, so the Annihilator will be made available to at least one of the armoured lists when IA5 comes out then? That's reassuring. Where did you get this information, or is it just speculation?
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To the best of my knowledge, rules for AB/AC usage won't exist until IAvol5 rolls out. Till then, I'd think the Annihilator should be usable at least by command units and probably in the space of normal tanks. It's much easier to make a pair of Lascannons than a Plasma Destroyer or Vanquisher Cannon.
Oh right, so the Annihilator will be made available to at least one of the armoured lists when IA5 comes out then? That's reassuring. Where did you get this information, or is it just speculation?
Pure speculation, but I think it's eminently logical speculation.
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...so the Annihilator will be made available to at least one of the armoured lists when IA5 comes out then? That's reassuring. Where did you get this information, or is it just speculation?
Pure speculation, but I think it's eminently logical speculation.
Ooo, I smell a bet. I don't reckon IA5 itself will extend Leman Russ Annihilators to armoured battlegroups or companies, just codex armies and siege regiments...maybe in a subsequent FAQ, but not in the publication. We shall see...
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Its a nice turret, but the space marine predator turret also fits neatly in the hole or a russ as a cheaper alternative- the forge world turret would make a nice alternative turret for the pred too.
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The Vanquisher is King! This is nowhere near as awesome.


Considering I've played games where the Vanquisher was only just in range for a turn 1 shot, I know where my money lies; it's with the 96" death-dealer.
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Wargamer has a point, I had to fight an armored company and my broadsides had to hide from the Vanquisher because it outraged them(shooting anti-tank at them), but the Annihilator with it's 48" range would've had to hide from me. This thing doesn't inspire fear like the Vanquisher does.
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