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How in the name of the Emperor do I cope with the "Sewer Rats" strategem?
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 02:40   #1 (permalink)
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Like title.

Basically, I was playing my friend who plays orks on our newly finished CoD board. (Huzzah!) Unfortunately for me, we rolled for one of the missions and got the one where you are protecting a building and so is the enemy, and you have to protect yours and capture the enemy's.

I took my usual two grenadier squads, mortar support squad w/ fuel barrels strategem, protecting my building. The building itself was very well protected by my standards, with 4 floors, 2nd floor had my autocannon heavy weapon support team w/ ammo dump, 1st floor my command squad to use their leadership to bolster the squads around them, and an infantry squad with grenade launcher and rocket launcher. The other flank had the infantry platoon command squad for leadership prescence, another infantry squad, and both grenadier squads, along with my Leman Russ Demolisher. A Hellhound was ready to move up the far right flank, and finally a Bassie with indirect fire at the edge of my board to blow things up that got in the way.

Our board is divided in half by a twisting canal, over which cross 3 bridges. My plan was to maximize defensive firepower on all the three bridges, while his hoard came across. While this was happening, the Hellhound would snake along the right most bridge and the Demolisher would go right up the middle. Those two would blow the crap out of anyone in the ork held building.

But as it happened, he used sewer rats. Shoota boyz with ammo dump, and two zzap gun teams in the same building were going to protect. All his fast attack units moved down my weakest flank, the left, and pulverized it. 5 Bikes, 1 Trukk Boyz squad, and 3 Rocket Buggies. My flank was toast. The only other things on his board were 3 Killa Kans. So he got 1st turn, and wiped out most of my left flank as I thought he would. My turn, I had some bad luck (guessed off on my Bassie and mortars, landed a Demolisher shell on his bikes but of course he made all of the invulnerable saves) and by turn two, guess who shows up, the rest of his army (many) from SEWER RATS!

75% of his army was in assault by turn two. Burna Boys flamed my "impregnable" fortress, and killed nearly everyone inside. Those they didn't kill earlier, they killed in assault. This one was just crushing. There was, it seemed, nothing I could do. I forfeited. To me, it seems as if Sewer Rats is just a free deep strike option that doesn't scatter. It was crazy. It didn't really seem at all like what I imagined Cityfight to be like... this was just a complete massacre.

Better luck next time, or was there a flaw in my plans? Help, please!
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 02:58   #2 (permalink)
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Discalimer: I am not experienced, and work of the "books" and paper.

I wish I knew, Colonel. Really the IG are not equiped to deal with such things as orks that get to essentially deep strike.

My suggestion is to make use of your building's multiple stories to keep your units safe, and clog the stairs/ladders with power-weapon armed officers. Shoot everything out of the top floors to whatever they can see, and make the orks fight you one at a time, so they can't make such great advantage of their hordes.
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 05:51   #3 (permalink)
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Cheap sentinels, park 'em on some vital manholes. They can't come up if a vehicle's on top of one.
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Why don't you use sewer rats against him? If he is pumping a good number of his units into the sewer rats, then you should play him back at his own game. I would recommend Veteran squads for this, have 3 squads of 10 kitted out with grenade launchers and flamers, and perhaps give one squad all meltas. Oh, and give the veteran sergeants power weapons, for a bit of oomph.
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 12:31   #5 (permalink)
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Why don't you use sewer rats against him? If he is pumping a good number of his units into the sewer rats, then you should play him back at his own game. I would recommend Veteran squads for this, have 3 squads of 10 kitted out with grenade launchers and flamers, and perhaps give one squad all meltas. Oh, and give the veteran sergeants power weapons, for a bit of oomph.
I don't think he can realistically expect to compete with Orks in terms of hand to hand combat. Guard are about firepower and flamers are your best friend in a cityfight against Orks. I suppose hardened vets could help in that respect.

I think Gearhead hit the nail on the head with his suggestion, it needn't be sentinels though; any unit can block enemy troops from emerging. Even if you can't sit right on the manhole, just having troops nearby with flamers should be enough to handle troops as they pop up. Hellhounds have the range to cover more than one sewer exit at a time though and they're definitely a fine choice against hordes. I recommed another.

I don't know how 75% of his army managed to get into close combat by turn two though, I think you might have misread the rules. Reserves are not rolled for until turn two and troops emerging from the sewers can't assault the turn they hit the table. Covering the sewer exits seems like your best bet, even if only to counter-charge before the mayhem unfolds on turn three. If you can't exterminate his troops as they emerge, then you should at least deny them their charge bonus.
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 17:46   #6 (permalink)
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Ah... I just re-read the rules and it seems that Tom is correct. He shouldn't have been able to assault the turn he arrived! >

And Anton... do you play Orks very often? This guy plays them incredibly well. I can't remember the last time he lost, and although 3 squads of veterans might have been effective, I just don't have that many points to spare.

I think in this case, the real problem was the huge fast attack force that swept along the left bridge. In the future, I'll think I'll use the "tank traps" strategem to solve that problem.

Time to break out the plaster o' paris. Next time, I'll know to block up the sewers closest to his units.
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And Anton... do you play Orks very often?
Unfortunately, no. Once, at the beginners academy, and, ironically, I was massacred! :P

Actually, Grenadiers may fare better, basic AP5 weapons and Frag Grenades. I say, stick with what you have, its a good list, just rearrange your battle plan, park on top of those blasted sewer rats, and make him walk for his WAAAGGHH!! :funny:
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Heya,

Remember that thread someone made where they asked about Chimeras and the Heavy Flamer? This is one of those moments where it's a fantastic. Strap on Dozer blades and Extra Armor.

When fighting large mobs of Orks, it's good to take small squads of Guardsmen often and simply watch how you space them. The reason is, inevitably, Orks will grab you in combat. But if they at least finish you off right then and there and your next squad is just over 6" away, you've got a safe bet of them not being able to engage your next squad, and you can go ahead and burn some orks down with Flamers. You can build layers of Guardsmen, where lines fall, only to be replaced with Orks, only to be bathed in flame right after wards. Throw vehicles in there to help bottleneck things--even if they're destroyed, they help channel loads of infantry models; and all this rough terrain and slowed movement is deal for your flamers, since vehicles aren't slowed (just make sure you have those dozer blades!).

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When fighting large mobs of Orks, it's good to take small squads of Guardsmen often and simply watch how you space them. You can build layers of Guardsmen, where lines fall, only to be replaced with Orks, only to be bathed in flame right after wards. Throw vehicles in there to help bottleneck things--even if they're destroyed, they help channel loads of infantry models; and all this rough terrain and slowed movement is deal for your flamers, since vehicles aren't slowed (just make sure you have those dozer blades!).
that is a good plan. make use of remnant squads and place them in cover(initiative bonus) about 8-14 inches away from the main force(or building). they should have flamers as well so they can blow huge chunks out of his rats' force.

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yes the fact they cant assault in the same turn means that you can just torch thier green backsides while they sit there and take it
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