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Old 21 Mar 2007, 02:50   #1 (permalink)
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Default Tank Shocking....so what happens.

Ok since I am playing mechanized guard I have thought of how useful or useless tank shocking can be. Now most people only tank shock with one vehicle and I understand the rules as they apply. My question is this, what happens when you are tank shocked by a wall of armor that gives you no room to give way?

The x's are the unit being tank shocked. The T are the wall of armor tank shocking and the arrow shows the direction of advance. When the armor encounters the infantry there is no place for the infantry to give way to. So by the rules how they are written since they can't give way they are automatically destroyed. It is sort of like blocking a dismount for a transport or a deep strike scatter. You are forcing a move to take place that your opponent cannot legally make yet he must. What do you guys think?

^ x x x x x
| x x x x x
T T T T T T T T T T T

or x x x x x
x x x x x
T T T T T T T T
T T T T T

You could repeat this tactic on every squad on foot and auto destroy them cause they cannot give way.
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Old 21 Mar 2007, 15:30   #2 (permalink)
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AHHH! This is going to be like the fish of fury all over again!

Basically there's nothing in the rules saying you're destroyed, just that you move by the shortest route possible to be 1" away from the tank.

Everyone's conclusion was that in a situation like this you'd probably end up behind the tank, odd as that seems.

Mind you that was for trapping someone in a U shape of vehicles, with your formation I guess it would just mean forcing the unit to move backwards, since that gets them away from the tank shocking tank.
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Old 21 Mar 2007, 16:19   #3 (permalink)
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Run them off the board, maybe?

Or else you'll have to come up with some house rules about it.
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Old 21 Mar 2007, 16:36   #4 (permalink)
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Run them off the board, maybe?

Or else you'll have to come up with some house rules about it.
Ah but see that doesn't make sense as the rules say they are to move around the tank that is shocking them. Not other models, and remember you can not move around/over/through opponent models. The other scenario is this


T T T
T x x x x T
T x x x x T
T T T

In the old rules you would be overrun but what happens here when you have to move by the tank shock fo the 3x T's on the bottem. You can't move within 1" of any enemy model and you cannot move through/over/on any enemy model

I really do think you are destroyed in both cases as the rules are clear saying you cannot move through/over/on an enemy model and since you can't move around the tank shocking you or behind it or to the sides because of other non-tank shocking models being there you are dead
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Old 21 Mar 2007, 17:34   #5 (permalink)
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If they fail the morale check the X's are dead.

If they pass they basically "Dodge" around the tank shocking them.

Remember you move one tank at a time so the first tank would make its tank shock move, any models that it would be on top of are pushed out of its way. Then they have to move to they're 1" inch from the tank. Its quite possible the only space were this can happen is behind the tank!
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Old 21 Mar 2007, 18:52   #6 (permalink)
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The only way I can see to destroy an entire unit with a tank shock (not just a single 'death or glory' nominee) is to get them in such a way as they are 'trapped' as per the rules for falling back. That's only if they fail the leadership test though, if they pass, they're still moved out of the way via the shortest distance possible, even if that means they're forced make a desperate scramble up and over the charging tank! I can imagine the likes of Eldar doing it, or jump troops, or even Space Marines, but it'd be a push for Necron Warriors or Guardsmen to perform such a feat.
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The only way I can see to destroy an entire unit with a tank shock (not just a single 'death or glory' nominee) is to get them in such a way as they are 'trapped' as per the rules for falling back. That's only if they fail the leadership test though, if they pass, they're still moved out of the way via the shortest distance possible, even if that means they're forced make a desperate scramble up and over the charging tank! I can imagine the likes of Eldar doing it, or jump troops, or even Space Marines, but it'd be a push for Necron Warriors or Guardsmen to perform such a feat.

You have to remember, your models are not exact replicas of the scenarios, but general representations. Do you really think 3 tanks could coordinate within a few minutes to make a PERFECT square (minus one side)? No, there would be little gaps here and there. Just takes a hugging of one of the 'wall' tanks to survive.
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Old 21 Mar 2007, 19:49   #8 (permalink)
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You have to remember, your models are not exact replicas of the scenarios, but general representations. Do you really think 3 tanks could coordinate within a few minutes to make a PERFECT square (minus one side)? No, there would be little gaps here and there. Just takes a hugging of one of the 'wall' tanks to survive.
Agreed. As tabletop generals we make all sorts of cunning plans and make our little toy soldiers perform intricate manoeuvres that could never work out so flawlessly in real life. But the notion of getting enough tanks into such a position on the table to do this is pretty much just academic - It's just not going to happen. Ever.
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Remember you move one tank at a time so the first tank would make its tank shock move,
what would happen if it were a group of tanks which were to be taken as a squadron or a group of models taken as a squadron which are allowed to tank shock? (rhinos, ork buggies w/ stikkbomb chuckas, etc) the squadron moves as one cohesive unit at the same time, correct?
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Remember you move one tank at a time so the first tank would make its tank shock move,
what would happen if it were a group of tanks which were to be taken as a squadron or a group of models taken as a squadron which are allowed to tank shock? (rhinos, ork buggies w/ stikkbomb chuckas, etc) the squadron moves as one cohesive unit at the same time, correct?
Still doesn't matter. If you move your models out of the way of one of the vehicles in the squadron and that puts them in front of another, you'll just have to move them again because that vehicle is tank shocking too. The concept we were addressing was the idea of seperate units blocking the escape route (because you can't move closer than 1" to an enemy model except during an assault), but models within the same unit are all considered to be tank shocking, so the same rules apply to them as to the first vehicle to make contact - It's an instant get-out-of-squishy-death clause.
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