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Imperial Guard Artillery Tanks: A debate.
View Poll Results: Which of the following tanks do you prefer, and Why?
Basilisk 25 46.30%
Griffin 26 48.15%
Medusa 2 3.70%
Manticore 1 1.85%
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Old 11 Feb 2007, 21:47   #1 (permalink)
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Default Imperial Guard Artillery Tanks: A debate.

Which, of the four Imperial Guard Artillery Tanks, do you prefer?

Here are the stats:

They all have the same armor, since they all use the Chimera hull.

The Medusa and Manticore are tied for the most expensive, the bassie the third and Griffin the cheapest.

They are all ordnance weapons. Medusa has the highest strength and best AP, followed by slightly less strength on the manticore but same AP, slightly worse AP on the bassie, and significantly worse strength on the griffin.

Unfortunatley, the medusa has very low range, which coupled with the low armor can be very bad for the tank. The Manticore only gets 4 shots. The bassie, though, has long range, high strength, looks pretty cool, is nice and cheap... while the Griffin is jsut a few points chepaer and has a much lower strength and range.

I love the bassie. What do you guys like?

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Old 11 Feb 2007, 22:54   #2 (permalink)
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My choose is the almighty Griffon mortar carrier. It is the only vehicle in the list that really belongs in 40k. The Medusda though I like what it does I just don't think it does it effectively. Should be a 48" indirect and I would love it. The basilisk is a long range (kilometers) weapon and would not be seen on a modern battlefield. Imagine driving a M-109 Artillery piece up to the front lines and engaging armor and infantry while taking return fire The manticore is anti-air which doesnt play a big part of 40k in my opinion. I still curse GW every day that I can't field my Griffons in my guard army since they took it away from the loyalist soldiers.
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Old 11 Feb 2007, 23:11   #3 (permalink)
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I'm not sure the Medusa can really be compared to the other vehicles in this poll as it serves a different purpose. Surely only indirect fire weapons count here?

I like the Manticore because it can be fitted with a variety of different missile types and, as Go Guard Or Go Home pointed out, it can even be fitted with surface-to-air missiles to serve an air defence role. I like the chunky missiles and I can envision a battery of them launching a fire mission at night. But the minimum range lets it down for me.

My favourite is the Griffon because it's cheap as chips, fires indirectly, has no minimum range, wounds most infantry on a 2+ and defeats anything softer than power armour. Tankbusting should be left to lascannons, missile launchers and autocannons. That being so, the lower strength is almost irrelevant.
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Old 11 Feb 2007, 23:17   #4 (permalink)
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My favourite is the Griffon because it's cheap as chips, fires indirectly, has no minimum range, wounds most infantry on a 2+ and defeats anything softer than power armour. Tankbusting should be left to lascannons, missile launchers and autocannons. That being so, the lower strength is almost irrelevant.
Exactly my reasoning.

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The manticore is anti-air which doesnt play a big part of 40k in my opinion.
The Manticore is by no means a dedicated anti-air platform, although I can see why you'd think that by looking at the model. The missiles it uses ingame are for ground-to-ground engagement like any other artilery piece.
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Old 11 Feb 2007, 23:42   #5 (permalink)
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Wow, that does make sense actually. Unfortuanatley it doesn't insta-kill marines, but still very useful. I still think the Bassie is a bargain, only 25 points more than the griffin. And remember, the minimum range is only for indirect fire. For direct its as close as you want.
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Old 11 Feb 2007, 23:58   #6 (permalink)
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It's the Griffon for me as well. Take that and couple it with Infernus shells, and you've got a nasty piece of work. JSJing Crisis Suits you say? Not a problem!
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Old 12 Feb 2007, 00:02   #7 (permalink)
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Griffons. Even more so with the Forge World special shells rules. The minimum indirect range on a basilisk can be a big factor. Griffons are so cheap you can run them even in 500 point games without breaking the bank.
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Old 12 Feb 2007, 00:22   #8 (permalink)
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Actually you could run them in combat patrol couldn't you?

OK so the griffin is a very good tactical choice, but I still say the Bassie looks more badass.
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Old 12 Feb 2007, 00:28   #9 (permalink)
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...remember, the minimum range is only for indirect fire. For direct its as close as you want.
No one's forgotten that, bud. And if the minimum indirect range was 12" or so then I'd be inclined to agree with you, but 36" is a long way on the tabletop, and unless you're fighting in a desert, there's almost certainly going to be intervening terrain, especially in a cityfight.
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Old 12 Feb 2007, 00:29   #10 (permalink)
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and the griffon is forge world rules now..... so for legal playing without opponent permission your only choice is the bassie!
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