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Vox-Casters worth it - or not
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Old 03 Jan 2007, 03:55   #1 (permalink)
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Default Vox-Casters worth it - or not

I have over time thought the vox-casters both a waste of points and a god send, I wanted to know what you guys think is the best option all-round

- vox-casters
or
- no vox-casters

I personally think that overall they are a waste of points for +1 leadership (even though they can be really handy at times)
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Old 04 Jan 2007, 00:45   #2 (permalink)
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I have over time thought the vox-casters both a waste of points and a god send, I wanted to know what you guys think is the best option all-round

- vox-casters
or
- no vox-casters

I personally think that overall they are a waste of points for +1 leadership (even though they can be really handy at times)
I think it&#39;s only worth using them if you&#39;re going to go the whole hog. It&#39;s way more than +1 leadership if you make the most of them. One of the Imperial Guard&#39;s prime weaknesses is its low leadership, so I think the option to negate that weakness and give most of your army leadership 10 is worth the points, especially if you&#39;re using a lot of troops.
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Old 04 Jan 2007, 01:44   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Vox-Casters worth it - or not

Actually only Ld9 normally... if you throw in a Walking Noose (Commissar) to the Command Squad, alongside an HSO, you can get army-wide Ld10 though.
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Old 04 Jan 2007, 05:58   #4 (permalink)
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Keeping morale with Vox Casters are very effective through the master-vox. I never leave home without one of those and a vox-caster in each squad. Better to spend points than doctrines and points too keep morale in my opinion.
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Actually only Ld9 normally... if you throw in a Walking Noose (Commissar) to the Command Squad, alongside an HSO, you can get army-wide Ld10 though.
That&#39;s what I&#39;m talking about, bud. What did you think I meant when I said "it&#39;s only worth using them if you&#39;re going to go the whole hog"?

You can pull it off with an Honorifica Imperialis too if you don&#39;t think a Heroic Senior Officer would be risked on ground operations with your army (such as drop troops perhaps?)...or if you&#39;re just feeling cheap and you need to salvage 5 points from somewhere.
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Actually only Ld9 normally... if you throw in a Walking Noose (Commissar) to the Command Squad, alongside an HSO, you can get army-wide Ld10 though.
That&#39;s what I&#39;m talking about, bud. What did you think I meant when I said "it&#39;s only worth using them if you&#39;re going to go the whole hog"?

You can pull it off with an Honorifica Imperialis too if you don&#39;t think a Heroic Senior Officer would be risked on ground operations with your army (such as drop troops perhaps?)...or if you&#39;re just feeling cheap and you need to salvage 5 points from somewhere.
This was discussed a long time ago, but is the commissars abilities sent through the vox caster?
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I think that the vox caster only transmits the officers Ld, and the commissar isn&#39;t strictly an officer (but that is just a speculation I could be wrong)
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As I play heavy mechanized Guard, I never have used vox-casters. Ever.
A Commisar is almost always in place to hand out the nice Ld 10.
But heavy infantry based armies would do nice with some vox-casters.
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I think that the vox caster only transmits the officers Ld, and the commissar isn&#39;t strictly an officer (but that is just a speculation I could be wrong)
There&#39;s no reason to assume that. If the bonus granted by the commissar improves the leadership of the officer then, unless stated otherwise, it applies to all instances in which the officer&#39;s leadership would be used. Look at the Space Marine Commander&#39;s &#39;Rites of Battle&#39; for example, it makes a specific exception for psychic tests. Besides, if the Imperial Guard FAQs say it can be combined with the officer&#39;s &#39;Leadership&#39; special rule, why are we to assume it can&#39;t be used in conjunction with vox-casters?
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Yes and no, on one hand ld 10 all around is very nice, but on the other it costs more points that could be spent on more squads. I tend to avoid it more often than not, only take it if you know your going to be attacking.
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