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Something that I will never understand...
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Old 24 Dec 2006, 01:08   #1 (permalink)
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Default Something that I will never understand...

Now, I'm sure that this has been beaten to death, but I just don't understand why people choose not to put sponsons on their Leman Russes. Now, I'm sure that there are a few of you on this site, and I'm not bashing you or anything.
It costs so little to upgrade a tank with 2 heavy weapons. What else would you do with those points? Here is a list:
-10 bolt pistols. Oh joy, you're giving Officers and Vet Sarges small bolt weapons, when you could have two bigger better weapons that fire 3 shots each, which have a higher survial rate than your Guardsmen.
-1 Plasma pistol. Oh joy again, you gain the option of frying your Officer/Sergeant, plus, the range is rather low for the drawback.
-2 power weapons. Almost worthy, the only thing that makes me cringe is the fact that these beautiful weapons probably won't be used, as Guardsmen are paper thin when being shot at.
-10 Close combat weapons. Do I have to give this an explanation? +1 attack to paper thin Guardsmen.
-10 Bolters. This is another almost worthy option, being better than a lasgun, but still the same range.
-10 shotguns. Low range, Str and Ap make me frown upon this weapon. You'd think a shotgun would be more powerful.
-2 Storm bolters. Again, an almost worthy option. Good weapons overall, but I'd rather have the heavy bolters.
-2 Bionics. IMO, bionics is almost completely worthless, only working a small fraction of the tome.
-2 suits of Carapace armor. Oh joy, you're now making your Guardsmen about rubber thin. Although, +1 to armor save is kind of nice.
-Trademark item. IMO, this is one of the few options that would be worth the tradeoff.

Now, again, I don't mean to bash anyone over this, it's just how I feel.
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Old 24 Dec 2006, 01:55   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Something that I will never understand...

Well, in my case, it was because I did not have the points for the sponsons.
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Old 24 Dec 2006, 02:51   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Something that I will never understand...

Especially since, as I remember, HB's are a defensive weapon so you can almost always fire them!
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Default Re: Something that I will never understand...

I've always used them.
I think people don't becuse they don't use them till the Battle cannons out.
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Old 24 Dec 2006, 03:43   #5 (permalink)
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My leman russ's are anti-infantry and my chimeras are anti-tank lol :P... So my lemans are armed with 3 heavy bolters. I usually shoot the blast until the cannons gone but there are times where the 9 bolter shots are more effective. But i dont put sponsons on my demoliser hes too expensive as it is.
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Old 24 Dec 2006, 08:46   #6 (permalink)
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I agree that not taking side sponsons is silly but there are other reasons besides point cost I'm sure. I think people who go for a WWII type army don't add sponsons for looks, but they really jusitfy the points cost any way you look at it.

With Guard its not like you're struggling to find points in your army list. Unless you have a limited number of models to play with. I can't think of one situation where I have to choose between sponson upgrades and squad upgrades. You can always rearrange things to make room if you have a decent sized army.

So, again, I think it comes down purely to preference of looks of the tank or bad Guard players who don't realize that minimal points increase in said tanks makes up for it significantly in gameplay.
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Old 24 Dec 2006, 09:20   #7 (permalink)
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If your not using tanks then you don't need to bother with sponson upgrades.

Yeah some of the guard squad upgrades you will never use. However upgrading your Sgt to have pistols and close combat weaponry can really help against low save enemy's GEQ.

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Old 24 Dec 2006, 09:26   #8 (permalink)
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how very silly
sponson mounted weopons must be taken at all cost
2 hvy bolters can be the differance between wining and losing a game
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Old 24 Dec 2006, 09:39   #9 (permalink)
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SPONSONS ALL AROUND! ;D
What happens when your Russ without sponson weapons get a "armament destroyed result"? You'll have a 140 point roadblock. Nothing more.
I feel sponson weapons are paramount. When someone stuffs a grot down your battlecannon, you still have something mean to throw around.
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Old 24 Dec 2006, 13:32   #10 (permalink)
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Actually, you still have the compulsory hull-mounted weapon to give a bit of dakka with.
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