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Old 13 Nov 2006, 03:33   #1 (permalink)
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Hello everyone.

As the title of the thread Implies, I am starting an Imperial Guard army, and I have a very cool theme (in my opinion) in mind. Slightly (or possibly) overdone from what I have heard, I am starting it out as a Storm Trooper army. This means that later on I will be expanding the army to accommodate some actual Imperial Guardsmen and all of that Random stuff

Anyways, besides telling you this, I have another point to this thread, Questions!!

1) Is it possible to do an all Storm-Trooper army (with the acception of the HQ)?
2) What Tanks would best fit in with that theme?
3) what doctrines would best be used to help this army out even further?

Thanks for your help whoever answers me, it'll probably really help me out.
 
Old 13 Nov 2006, 03:50   #2 (permalink)
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well its not really possible seeing as how in almost every battle you play you need two troop choices and the storm troopers are elites. However, you could use an HQ, two troops and then max out with storm troopers.
Or you could just make a regimental doctrine with Carapace armour, then all your regular guardsmen would have a 4 plus save.

Tank wise, i like the leman Russ Battle tank but it really depends who you fight most often. If against a horde army, i like the demolisher with side sponson plasma Cannons. The more the blasts the more the enemy casualty rate. But really any Imperial gaurd tanks, aside from Chimeras, would look pretty good alongside massive amounts of stormtroopers. I mean Gaint chunks of armour comeing at you look scary beside grots so theres relly not one tank thats more suitable then the others. As for apperarence of the storm troopers in general, i just got a basic army paint schem and then decked out the StormTrooper armour in one of the secondary colors. That way they look like particularly devoted(or fanatic) soldiers of the imperium and stand out from the rest of your mediocerly armoured +5 save gaurdsmen.

Doctrine wise... i don't know really. I guess i would use cameleoline, Hardened fighters, Independent commissars would give you a close combat bonus, an finally sharpshooters to balance out the hit ratio with the fact that you would have way less men for more points.

Thats just me personally and those are just doctrines that i like, don't forget though that if you use doctrines you have to sacrifice certain types of troops and that you have to use a doctrine point just to get stormtrooper squads anyway.
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Old 13 Nov 2006, 04:11   #3 (permalink)
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Right, well here's my Stromtrooper themed army... (forgeworld approved mind...)

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[size=22pt]Cygnarian 257th “Drakes”[/size]

Doctrines: Grenadiers, Drop Troops, Iron Discipline, Carapace Armour, Sanctioned Psykers.

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HQ

Command Squad - 218pts


SO with Bolter, Iron Discipline.
2 Medics with Bolters.
2 Plasmaguns.
Sanctioned Psyker with Bolt Pistol, CCW.
Carapace Armour.

Mounted in an Arvus Lighter.

Sentinel Squadron - 135pts
3 Catachan Pattern Sentinels.
Extra Armour.

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TROOPS

Grenadier Squad - 213pts
Sgt. with Hellpistol, CCW.
2 Meltaguns.
8 Hellguns.
Sanctioned Psyker with Bolt Pistol, CCW.
Frag & Krak Grenades, Targeters.

Mounted in an Arvus Lighter.

Grenadier Squad - 213pts
Sgt. with Hellpistol, CCW.
2 Meltaguns.
8 Hellguns.
Sanctioned Psyker with Bolt Pistol, CCW.
Frag & Krak Grenades, Targeters.

Mounted in an Arvus Lighter.

Grenadier Squad - 200pts
Sgt. with Hellpistol, CCW.
2 Plasmaguns.
8 Hellguns.
Frag & Krak Grenades, Targeters.

Mounted in an Arvus Lighter.

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FAST ATTACK

Sentinel Squadron - 155pts

2 Mars Pattern Sentinels.
Cadian Pattern Sentinel.
Extra Armour.

Sentinel Squadron - 155pts
2 Mars Pattern Sentinels.
Cadian Pattern Sentinel.
Extra Armour.

Sentinel Squadron - 210pts
3 Armageddon Pattern Sentinels.
Hunter-Killer Missiles, Extra Armour.

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1499pts

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Well as you can see, Grenadiers... basically they are stormtroopers... cept without deep strike or infiltrate...

now to get up to 2000 pts, drop in a couple of drop trooping stormies... and then have a ball...

(Arvus Lighters are Forgeworld pieces basically cheap Valkyries...)
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Old 13 Nov 2006, 04:53   #4 (permalink)
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Actually grenadiers are stormtroopers, that doctrine allows you to take 0-3 storm trooper squads as troops choices.

As far as tank choices..all of them really. The only thing i would think is maybe they'd all be rolling in chimeras but really whatever tanks you think they should have is what you should get.

The other doctirnes are up to you, tailor it to the fluff of your army.
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Doctrines won't have ANY effect on the storm troopers you take if you use grenadiers as they are not actually "infantry". Wel las far as i know at least.

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yup! i believe they apply to hardened vets tho...
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Old 13 Nov 2006, 17:52   #7 (permalink)
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I have an almost all "grenadier" army:



HQ
HSO + M vox, medic, 2x p weapon/pistol
1x AT squad (carapace, sharpshooter) lascannon
1x AT squad (carapace, sharpshooter) autocannon
1x Mortar squad

Elites:

1x8 harden veterans (plasma, H bolter, carapace), vox

Troops:

3x10 Grenadiers (same as stormtroopers) V SGT w/p weapon & bolt pistol, vox
2x chimera, 1 with 2xH bolter, 1 with multilas and H bolter

Heavy support:

3xLeman Russ. 2 w/B cannon, lascannon. 1 w/B cannon, H bolter

Fast attack:

1 sentinel, autocannon


Works fine for me...

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1) Is it possible to do an all Storm-Trooper army (with the acception of the HQ)?

Indeed it is: grenadiers, and then take carapce armour for the other units, representing in training units. Also, take the normal guardsmen as vets in the HQ, give them bolters, and there you go! a storm trooper HQ fully kitted!

2) What Tanks would best fit in with that theme?

Almost anything in my opinion! Just buy what you like, but id personally stay away from the bassie, just doesn't sit right with a mobile force. And maybe the hellhound, but im still getting used to the new flamer.

3) what doctrines would best be used to help this army out even further?

Probably the drop troops one so you can deep strike a few sentinels, other than that most of the doctrines don't apply to the stormies. And maybe hardened fighters i it suits your regulars.



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Actually grenadiers are stormtroopers, that doctrine allows you to take 0-3 storm trooper squads as troops choices.

As far as tank choices..all of them really. The only thing i would think is maybe they'd all be rolling in chimeras but really whatever tanks you think they should have is what you should get.

The other doctirnes are up to you, tailor it to the fluff of your army.
i had thought that 'grenadiers' were actual elements of the regiment, while 'stormtroopers' are attachments trained elsewhere and tacced on for specific missions or campaigns on a temporary need based requisition. I dunno, It's rather like the arguement that 'kasrkin' are or are not stormtroopsers... makes no real difference except for fluff but i just want to get my story straight if i can
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You are correct. Grenadiers are "stormtrooper" armed and trained members of a regiment, while actual "elite" stormtroopers are all from a special school and attached. However, for game purposes, they are one in the same. Grenadier doctrine allows for the stormtrooper stat line to be used for troops essentially.

If you wanted ALL stormtrooper, with no weapons squads, this is also possible. 3x stormtroopers as elites, 6x grenadiers as troops (with doctrine), 3x leman Russ, and chimera as you wish. It will be terribly ineffective against fast, assaulty, or super shooty armies, but it would be a fun theme army.

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