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Old 21 Aug 2006, 13:45   #1 (permalink)
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It would appear that the storm troopers are missing in action. The only models left are kaserkin and more worringly, they havn't appeared in the classics section. Anyone got nay news on whats going on?
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More proof GW doesn't actually care about anything but pushing their latest range... that and they have no taste in models. Stormtroopers are far superior to Cadian Grenadiers.
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I dunno, I like the kasrkin models a lot more than the old stormtroopers who looked as though they were wearing big fluffy ski jackets.
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Actualy they still have 'em. Their on page 4 if you search for "Storm Troopers" on the online store.
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I dunno, I like the kasrkin models a lot more than the old stormtroopers who looked as though they were wearing big fluffy ski jackets.
I miss the oldskool Stormtroopers with their berets
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Now that would be a find.
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Now that would be a find.
Good luck...they stopped selling them before I even played 40k often enough to know what they were
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More proof GW doesn't actually care about anything but pushing their latest range... that and they have no taste in models. Stormtroopers are far superior to Cadian Grenadiers.
I don't really like either. Out of the two I would probably go for the Kasrkin.

I have a small ST squad that can be used as IST or ST. :-\
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The Kasrkin models do look cool, but what about varient regiments? Kasrkin only look cool with Cadians. Hah! saying that most Guard players i know have Cadians so it dosen't make a difference really. HA! how ironic! ^-^
 
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Maybe because other guard regiments don't regularly use stormtroopers?

My Kasrkin models are used as Inquisitorial Stormtroopers for my Inquisition forces. Those little I decals fit just perfectly on the Kasrkin shoulderpads, and they look great.

But, my Vostroyans - heh, they're not using stormtroopers. There's no fluff to indicate that Vostroyans use stormtroopers, and it's not one of their recommended doctrines. In fact, there are only a handful of famous guard regiments that do use them, and only the Armageddon Steel Legion out of the ones that have models.

Gamewise, stormtroopers are a horrible unit. It's not so much that they're overpriced, but that they come with a lot of unnecessary equipment that you probably wouldn't pay the points for if you had the choice. Compare the stormtrooper to the hardened veteran:

[table]
[tr][td]Quality[/td][td]Hardened Veteran[/td][td]Stormtrooper[/td][td]Edge[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Cost[/td][td]x[/td][td]2 more points[/td][td]Vet[/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Infiltrate[/td][td] Free [/td][td] Pay extra points [/td][td] Vets [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Deep Strike[/td][td] Can be free[/td][td] Pay extra points [/td][td] neither [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Stats [/td][td] Mostly a high save [/td][td] Lower save[/td][td]Stormtroopers[/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Heavy Weapon[/td][td] Yes [/td][td] No [/td][td]Vets[/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Special Weapons[/td][td] x picks [/td][td]Less picks [/td][td]Vets[/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Doctrine Cost[/td][td] 0-1 Without using doctrine, 0-3 with [/td][td] 0-3 with doctrines [/td][td]Vets[/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Sergeant[/td][td] Always veteran[/td][td] Costs more for a veteran [/td][td]Vets[/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Equipment[/td][td] Not great [/td][td] Better equipment, plus can get better options when paying[/td][td]Stormtroopers[/td][/tr]
[/table]

As you can see, stormtroopers really only win in two of the comparisons, and veteran guard can make up everything but the hellgun with doctrines. Hellguns are cute, but AP5 vs. AP- doesn't make a whole lot of difference against a lot of armies.
In the end, with the right doctrines and upgrades, your infiltrating vets with carapace armour and grenades cost the same as your infiltrating stormtroopers, and have worse guns. But, you rarely need that stuff. Stormtroopers should be shooting at units in cover, not assaulting them, so why buy frags? And, the veterans really win the day with the third special weapon, the heavy weapon, and the fact that their sergeant can take officer only equipment, like a powerfist.

Other, non-cadian armies don't need stormtroopers, they need veterans.

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