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Old 14 Jun 2006, 06:00   #1 (permalink)
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After collecting my humble force of Tyranids (1500 pts) I what to try something a bit different.

After reading though the Imperial Guard fluff, and reading the codex, it seems that they are my guys. Simple and ordinary Humans, nothing special. Next I read the articles on this site about IG, they got me more and more wanted to have a bunch of money.

But I want somethings different, my gaming club has almost no IG, and I don’t want to bring in a Cadia army! So I was look though the Online Site of GW, then I saw the Empire models for Fansty. I fell in love with them, so I am asking what you guys think of using Empire models instead of Cadian models, and giving the Empire models lasguns. I was thinking of using some of the Doctrines, but I will have to write up some fluff and background... Any ideas?


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Old 14 Jun 2006, 06:50   #2 (permalink)
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sounds cool what ever make you different try it
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I like that idea allot. You could use vostryans as your hardened veterans.

The only problem would be cost.
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Close Order Drill, Veterans, Hardened Fighters, Carapace, Rough Riders.

Those sound like possible doctrines.

Close Order Drill: Rank and file empire like...

Rough Riders: Knights...

Carapace: Metal armour plates.

Hardened Fighters: They'll go old skool on your asses!

Veterans: You can replace this with what you wish...
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How about this:

NO DOCTRINES!

You're just starting. The last thing you should be doing is trying out Doctrines. They are for experienced gamers who know how the army works, and want to tweak it a certain way.

To put it another way, you wouldn't decide to play Khorne before reading the Chaos rules. You wouldn't decide that you had to have three units of Vespid without ever touching the Tau Empires Codex. You wouldn't boast how powerful your Flayed Ones were when you've read not one page of the Necron Codex.

The same logic applies. You don't know Guard. You haven't won with them. You haven't fought with them. You don't even have the army yet. Don't touch the Doctrines! Learn to walk before you shoot your own foot off with bad footwear...
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Now would be a great time to read all of Wargamer's signature. Including the quote...
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 16:34   #7 (permalink)
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Just to point out.

http://forums.tauonline.org/index.php?topic=19651.0

My idea along the same lines.
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I like that idea allot. You could use vostryans as your hardened veterans.

The only problem would be cost.
Thats a good idea. Yes the cost would suck, but thats a fact of the hobby. Right?

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How about this:

NO DOCTRINES!

You're just starting. The last thing you should be doing is trying out Doctrines. They are for experienced gamers who know how the army works, and want to tweak it a certain way.

To put it another way, you wouldn't decide to play Khorne before reading the Chaos rules. You wouldn't decide that you had to have three units of Vespid without ever touching the Tau Empires Codex. You wouldn't boast how powerful your Flayed Ones were when you've read not one page of the Necron Codex.

The same logic applies. You don't know Guard. You haven't won with them. You haven't fought with them. You don't even have the army yet. Don't touch the Doctrines! Learn to walk before you shoot your own foot off with bad footwear...
That's make logical sense... Then I will not touch Doctrines for now, and after reading your comments on them, I problem wouldn't use them.

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Now would be a great time to read all of Wargamer's signature. Including the quote...
After Wargamers post, I did read his stuff, it gives me more ideas on my army.

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Just to point out.

http://forums.tauonline.org/index.php?topic=19651.0

My idea along the same lines.
I never said my idea was Original, just something most people don't do.

I should have the Basic fluff done today.

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To put it another way, you wouldn't decide to play Khorne before reading the Chaos rules. You wouldn't decide that you had to have three units of Vespid without ever touching the Tau Empires Codex.
I decided to play Sisters of Battle without having a clue about the rules. I decided I wanted three penitent engines before I'd played a single game of 40k.

I mean, I liked the models.

Is that so hard, to pick your stuff based on the models. I know people who want to play a kroot&vespid heavy "tau" army based on the models and fluff, regardless how well it works.


I also disagree that you should necessarily play without doctrines while learning. There's a financial aspect to consider. If I'm going mechanized, I can save money by going mechanized from the start, rather than buying enough infantry to play "no doctrines" and then realizing that I can't pack them all into my mechanized list.

I say, pick your favorite models, figure out the fluff around them. And then, decide if you want to use doctrines or not. It's no more foolhardy to say you won't use doctrines without reading the codex or playing a couple of games than it is to say you will use them. Either way, you're making an uninformed decision.
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More often than not, Doctrines simply modify the existing force.

So you can start building up the core of an army, try it out, and see how it goes. After all, it's far better to decide "you know, I think COD could really benefit my playing style..." than to convert your entire force with COD in mind, only to find you hate it.
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