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Old 27 Mar 2006, 06:01   #1 (permalink)
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and their is a reason why doctrines exist for infantry, theres more bloody infantry regiments than you can shake a stick at(i love that phrase).
In case you weren't aware, the Armoured Company has Doctrines to...
yeah, but infantry doctrines are designed to show the diversity of guard regiments. the AC doctrines are designed to suck n00bs in, wasteing 50 pts per tank on doctrines to give honest players a fighting chance against an all AV14 army. the same reason you pay so much extra for command and elite tanks.
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As far as I'm concerned, Infantry Doctrines exist for the exact same reason; to allow noobs to waste points and create stupid armies.

You can make a good force using Doctrines, both Infantry and Armour, but most people don't.
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As far as I'm concerned, Infantry Doctrines exist for the exact same reason; to allow noobs to waste points and create stupid armies.

You can make a good force using Doctrines, both Infantry and Armour, but most people don't.
Hehe, true. Doctrines can make a fluffy army cool. But gamewise some doctrines are just stupid. Cyber-enhancements comes to mind....
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As far as I'm concerned, Infantry Doctrines exist for the exact same reason; to allow noobs to waste points and create stupid armies.

You can make a good force using Doctrines, both Infantry and Armour, but most people don't.
what good doctrines are there for armoured companies? side skirts are allright, the rest a waste.
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What good Doctrines are there for Infantry?

Mechanised? You can use an Armoured Battalion for that.

COD? Over-used, and never used properly.

Sharpshooters? Carapace? Never seen a situation where bringing more Guard wasn't the better option.

Grenadiers is the only one that is remotely worth considering.
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What good Doctrines are there for Infantry?

Mechanised? You can use an Armoured Battalion for that.

COD? Over-used, and never used properly.

Sharpshooters? Carapace? Never seen a situation where bringing more Guard wasn't the better option.

Grenadiers is the only one that is remotely worth considering.
light infantry, great for city fight missions, very fluffy, and a pinning weapon is always good to have.(altough best used en-masse)
close order drill is great since its free. when the enemy reaches 12" you can form up, and rapid fire, this way when they charge you'd be at In4 and Ld 8 or 9.
chem-inhalers are absolutly amazing, makes sure your boys stick to the job till the end.
iron discipline, well i dont even ahve to say, we all know how great that is.
xenos fighters, an absolute must when fighting orks nids or eldar.
sharpshooters are great for big expensive weapons like lascannons, squeeze all the juice out of them
warrior weapons: 30 attacks on a charge for a 80 pts unit anyone?
carapace: fear the pulse rifles no more
drop troops: free deepstrike for 90% of the stuff in your army
i could go on all day, but i can't be asked. you might not like doctrines, but anyone who started playing during the 3rd guard codex would agree that they are great.(infact, doctrines are the only thing that improved in the 3rd guard codex.)
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You seem to have missed a key point, Elessar, and that is "because it will help me win!" or "Because it's free!" is [size=14pt]NOT[/size] a valid reason to choose a Doctrine.

Doctrines are there to give your force flavour, and to allow you to create a themed list. It is not an excuse to get a freebie gimmick.
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Depends on your perspective I suppose.A fluffy gamer may pick only doctrines to suit there force, but others will only pick them for effectiveness.

Mind you sometimes both can be rolled into one...who would want a drop troops list except die hards if it cost 10 pts per squad?

Personally I go with a force I like the style of, then effectiveness.Fluff usually comes through at some point but meh, not too impotent to me.

Go pink necrons for all I care with loads of warriors.
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As far as I'm concerned, Infantry Doctrines exist for the exact same reason; to allow noobs to waste points and create stupid armies.

You can make a good force using Doctrines, both Infantry and Armour, but most people don't.
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You seem to have missed a key point, Elessar, and that is "because it will help me win!" or "Because it's free!" is [size=14pt]NOT[/size] a valid reason to choose a Doctrine.

Doctrines are there to give your force flavour, and to allow you to create a themed list. It is not an excuse to get a freebie gimmick.
That's a lot of harsh comments. In my experience, most Guard players take doctrines to give their armies more flavour and make them fun to use, and have pretty much got over the 'on no! I might lose!' thing. The only one I have encountered who was more concerned about winning than having a good time is also the only one I can remember who didn't use doctines. Why? because he was more concerned about fitting in a few more lascannons.
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