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Old 27 Dec 2005, 22:33   #1 (permalink)
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Default First IG List (~1000 pts)

Well, I've thrown this list together as I may start IG and I want to get a feel of good and bad things about them. Also, I'd like to know the good and bad things about the list itself - remember this is the first.


Headquarters - 121 pts
Command Platoon - 216 pts
Heroic Senior Officer
- (Storm Bolter, Power Weapon)
3x Guardsmen - (Master-Vox, Plasma Gun)
1x Veteran - (Standard Bearer)
Anti-Tank Support Squad - (3x Missile Launcher)

Elites - 130 pts
Hardened Veterans - 130 pts
- (3x Plasma Gun, 1x Missile Launcher)

Troops - 410 pts
Infantry Platoon - 410 pts
Command Squad
- (Junior Officer w/ Bolt Pistol & Power Weapon, 4x Guardsmen w/ Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher)
Alpha Squad - (10x Guardsmen w/ Lascannon, Plasma Gun)
Beta Squad - (10x Guardsmen w/ Lascannon, Plasma Gun)
Delta Squad - (10x Guardsmen w/ Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher)
Gamma Squad - (10x Guardsmen w/ Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher)

Heavy Support - 163 pts
Leman Russ Battle Tank
- 163 pts - (Hull Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters, Extra Armor, Smoke Launchers)

Fast Attack - 123 pts
Hellhound - 123 pts
- (Hull Heavy Bolter, Extra Armor, Smoke Launchers)

Total Points - 1042
Total Models - 60 plus 2 vehicles
Total Wounds - 62


Well, tear it apart. Being a Tyranid player, I have no idea what I'm doing.
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Old 28 Dec 2005, 00:34   #2 (permalink)
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gj, not much wrong i can see with this. on the infantry platoons, abandon the plasma unless your primarily fighting power-armored enemies. grenade launchers and flamers are much more effective against these. also, maybe buy some kasrkin, they are FREAKIN' deadly!
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cant have a vox and a plasma gun on your HQ guardsmen, and i suggest getting a medic.
you also need two platoons of guardsmen, or one platoon and an armored fist squad.
lastly, i would not suggest giving your troops plasma guns because they have a tendancy to blow up on you.
i cant say how it would play since it needs those major changes, but it is a start. lets see the revisions soon.
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On top of whats already been noted, you should take out wither the heavy bolters or the grenade launchers as both are used in very different ways, with GL being used in assault and HB used for fire support.
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Alright guys, thanks for the replies! And thanks, Gorcyca, for the catch on the troops section. Originally it was separated into 2 infantry platoons with only two squads. I decided to then merge the two in order to save points by not having to take another command squad. Unfortunately, I forgot that those were my only 2 troops choices. Anyway, I've fixed that so here's a new list - still over in points and I can't decide on what I want to nerf - but its not a big deal considering all of this is just hypothetical.

Headquarters - 229 pts
Command Platoon - 229 pts
Command Squad - 134 pts
Heroic Senior Officer - (Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon)
3x Veterans - (2x Storm Bolter, 1x Medi-pack, 1x Standard Bearer)
1x Guardsman - (Master-Vox)
Anti-Tank Support - 95 pts - (3x Missile Launcher)

Elites - 130 pts
Hardened Veterans - 130 pts - (3x Plasma Gun, 1x Missile Launcher)

Troops - 386 pts
Infantry Platoon - 228 pts
Command Squad - 58 pts - (Junior Officer w/ Bolt Pistol & Power Weapon, 4x Guardsmen w/ Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher)
Squad 1 - 85 pts - (Lascannon)
Squad 2 - 85 pts - (Lascannon)
Armoured Fist Squad - 78 pts - (Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher)
Chimera Transport - 80 pts - (Turret Heavy Bolter)

Heavy Support - 163 pts
Leman Russ Battle Tank - 163 pts - (Hull Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters, Extra Armor, Smoke Launchers)

Fast Attack - 123 pts
Hellhound - 123 pts - (Hull Heavy Bolter, Extra Armor, Smoke Launchers)

Total Points - 1031
Total Models - 56 w/ 3 Vehicles
Total Wounds - 58

The armoured fist squad is actually more expensive than the infantry squads I dropped, but the chimera and squad itself makes up for the lost firepower 3 pieces of armor at 1000 points is nothing to scoff at. Does this look better or worse? Did I screw up technically anywhere else? What opposing forces would give this list trouble? What would this list do well against? Or would it be an average game in most cases?

PS. Who else thinks its total c**p that a Hellhound tank is 45 USD, and a Leman Russ Battle Tank is 40 USD. That is just silly.
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Old 28 Dec 2005, 22:51   #6 (permalink)
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personally, i would drop the hardened vets and get kasrkin, they are really an IG troop to be feared. Also, the command squad is a little hefty, deleting from that might make you able to buy more infantry, which is always a must for guard.
your guard would perform well against orks, and maybe tyaranids. you would probably be demolished by space marines and necrons due to their power armor, and against eldar the battle would probably be pretty even if you used your army right.
and your absolutely right, GW is out of their FREAKING MINDS when they make hellhounds more than my beloved russes. all that stuff is way overpriced.
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Old 29 Dec 2005, 02:47   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, the kasrkins are nice, With the vets I'd just infiltrate them into 4+ and I liked the appeal of 3 plasma. I doubt that I'll actually try to put this list together, I just want to get an idea of good guard choices and I felt the best way to do that was give my best shot at a well rounded list and see where people took me from there.

I suppose power armor would be annoying. However, with 5 AP2 weapons and 4 AP3 weapons, 6 heavy bolters and a battle cannon, I can't say that I wouldn't be prepared for it. The armoured fist squad could easily pack up and run away from advancing nasties as well.

Also realize I haven't gotten into doctrines at all. I have been considering mechanised grenadiers, or drop troop grenadiers, or maybe just drop troops with carapace armour like harkoni warhawks. Any other ideas?

Finally, in the back of the codex it says Armageddon Steel Legion takes Conscript Platoons and Mechanised. What is the tactical advantage of taking 40 point conscript platoons to mount them in 80 point transports, especially when the soldiers have such terrible leadership and ballistic skill? I suppose there is appeal in having a bunch of mech squads costing a little less than 150 (after special and heavy weapons), but are there any other advantages to it than that? It seems like one would waste too many points on transports for bad units.
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you cannot take conscripts in chimeras... well in the normal IG codex anyway...
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Not normally, but with the mechanised doctrine you can. It forces all non-mechanised units to take a chimera transport wether or not they have the option. I would assume this includes conscripts.
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Conscripts aren't considered "Guard Infantry" for the purpose of Doctrines. Therefore, they can't use a Chimera.
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