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Old 12 Oct 2005, 08:08   #1 (permalink)
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How do y'all deal with very tough troops in CC?

My army relies totally on huge firepower, but sometimes the tough get through...then my IG are such softies they collapse time and again once contacted.

I have a Rough Rider unit as a counter attack unit, and an IC Commissar with my 30 conscripts, but apart from that my guys are always at a disadvantage - typically lower initiative, crap weapons (I don't use a PowerFist) and no armour.

What do y'all do to get better in CC?
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 08:51   #2 (permalink)
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what i usually do is have a couple of chimmies in reserve, you move the rest of your guys away, let the squad/s die and then you tank shock... tyranid players hate this as thier little 'uns cant scrath the tank and therefore have to move away... pretty good i think...
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 15:48   #3 (permalink)
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In dependant commissars. having a WS 4 guy with 3 attacks and a powerfist&bolt pistol in a squad of guardsmen is great. basically you just use the imperial guardsmen as extra wounds for him. Or, and i love this get a commissar and a guy with an hounorifica imperialis(psykers are great for this) in your command squad, give your HSO and the other two powerfists and boltpistols and get the hardened fighters upgrade for that squad, that way against space marines for example you get 11 attacks hitting on 3s wounding on 2s and allowing no armour save. that's like 6 dead marines per turn not to mention any lucky kills the rest of the squad might get. And the commissars Ld 10 means they'll always hold the line.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 19:25   #4 (permalink)
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Hmmm... Expensive...
I usaully rely on swamping. And of corse, I have a really juiced up HQ squad. I have not yet faced a really scary assault army, but my friend has about 700 points of Orks. When that grows, I will have to formulate a plan. Th HQ squad is in a chimera, so they usaully counter-attack around to the enemy support squads, or attack from behind. I was thinking, right now I have a H. Vet. squad, but I was thinkng, why not make the same thing with all laspistols and CC Also, give the Sarge a powerfist or something of the sort. But for now, I really on HQ for all my heavy assault, as the A3 and I(something high) of my HSO really helps when he's got a power weapon, or a power fist. (Although I is down to one.

But the real silver bullet is...
30 LAST CHANCERS WITH PLASMA PISTOLS AND POWER FISTS. This will probably like 1000 points, but my goal was to someday make a squad like that. Imagine that going against a carnifex, or 10 ccarnifexes, or an armoured Company of IG. Of course, you'd need some Chimeras, but, come on. Charging, thats like 60 S 10 attacks and 30 S 7 attacks. Against a weak enemy, thats easily 90 insta-kills. Or against the back armour of a Predator. It penetrates automaticlly! Only downside is its all Initiative 1.
Thtas a REAL long shot, but doable. Otherwise, 10 LCs with a healthy mix of power weapons/fists will ensure they're not picked out, and will provide an insurance that you have some high I with no armour save, than low I with instant kill.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 19:33   #5 (permalink)
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You can always try a tactic mentioned in First and Only...

Line up your infantry with tanks behind. Keep on shooting the enemy untill they are almost on top of you. Then you move forwards with your tanks (preferably AV14 Leman Russes) and prevent the enemy from assaulting your infantry. If they want to assault your tanks then let them - most troops can't hurt tanks (though beware of Meltabombs and Power Fists).

If the enemy take the bait, you surge forwards...TANK SHOCK!!! Run the dogs down under your treads. You can also attack with your infantry, and push them back to their own deployment zone with a mass of bayonetts and bulldozer blades.

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"Let them come we will prevail!" Is my commanders most used quote. I use close order which helps against marines and have veteran seargents. Also I position myself so I am the one charginf getting those extra attacks. Also My front line of guardsmen have flamers. Also my commander is an Inquisitor.
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 06:06   #7 (permalink)
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"Let them come we will prevail!" Is my commanders most used quote. I use close order which helps against marines and have veteran seargents. Also I position myself so I am the one charginf getting those extra attacks. Also My front line of guardsmen have flamers. Also my commander is an Inquisitor.
Yeah, that seems to be where I'm going as well....IG in and of itself just does not have the CC capability to face the really tough armies, and its own tricks cannot guarantee it can outshoot them - and to be really competitive you need that CC dependability
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You could always just hide Ogyrns behind your tanks as well, ready to pop out and say boo!

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autocannons. that and SW squads with melta guns.
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No me gusta Ogryns (I don't like ogryns)
To fragile without a decent save
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