[owen126656]

could u plz tell me what i need to improve in this list and tell me wich one you think is the better one plz

*****HQ*****
senior ofiicer(55)
*****TROOPS*****
infantry platoon 2 squads w/vox caster (125)
infantry platoon 2 squads w/vox caster,veteran sergeant (131)
armoured fist squad w/flamer,chimera transport w/multilaser (146)
armoured fist squad w/grenade launcher,chimera transport w/heavy bolter (143)
*****TOTAL*****
600


LIST 1
*****HQ*****
heroic senior officer(70) w/power fist(20)retractor field(15)carapace armour(5)krak grenade(2) (112)
1x fire support sqaud w/heavy bolter(50)
3x sanctioned psykers (36)
1x commissar (40)
(236)
*****TROOPS*****
1x infantry platoon 2 squads(120) w/vox caster(5)veteran sergeant(6) (131)
1x infantry platoon 2 squads(120) w/vox caster(5)veteran sergeant(6) (131)
(262)
*****HEAVY SUPPORT*****
basilisk (100)
*****TOTAL*****
600

i am not sure on which one to use because i am not sure what i will be up against but i wanted a solid base to build up my army form so i figured that two platoons of troops should be ebough but that was all i could decide on to have could u plz help me and im sure that the more experienced ig plyers will rip this list to shreds
thanks in advance owen
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[NotSoSavvy]

Which edition are you using? It sounds like you've built your list to the old 3rd ed rules.

Either way, the first question is: What sort of army do you want to field? You can hit a lot of different army types in the new codex, so if I'm going to give you good advice I need to know if you're going with the tidal wave of infantry, mechanized infantry, an armoured regiment or something else.

[owen126656]

im looking for a force that can give off a whole lot of firepower supported by a couple of light tanks and transports so that i can get my units around quicker so i mainly want infantry backed with some chimeras and stuff i have made a new list and im pretty sure that this one was out of the 5th ed codex

for cadians
*****HQ*****
company command squad *50*
-bodygaurd *15*
-bodygaurd *15*
-veteran w/regimental banner *15*, 2x sniper rifles *10*
-company commander w/ power weapon *10*, plasma pistol *10*
-carapace armour *20*
**150**

*****TROOPS******
veteran squad *70*
-sergeant w/power weapon*10*,bolt pistol*2*
-2x grenade launchers*10*, 6 shotguns *0*
-grenadiers*30* (carapace armour)
-chimera*55* w/heavy bolter*0*,heavy flamer*0*,pintle mounted storm bolter*10*
**187**

veteran squad *70*
-sergeant w/power weapon*10*, bolt pistol*2*
-2x grenade launchers*10*,6 shotguns *0*
-grenadiers*30*(carapace armour)
-chimera*55* w/heavy bolter*0*,heavy flamer*0*,pintle mounted storm bolter*10*
**187**

*****HEAVY SUPPORT*****
hydra flak tank*75* w/heavy flamer*0*

and for catachans
Company HQ
-heavy flamer
-2 flamers
-mela gun
-melta bombs
*95*

Chimera
-heavy flamer
-heavy flamer
*55*

Chimera
-heavy flamer
-heavy flamer
*55*

Chimera
-heavy flamer
-heavy flamer
*55*

veteran squad
-6 shotguns
-flamer
-meltagun
-heavy flamer
*105*

veteran squad
-6 shotguns
-flamer
-meltagun
-heavy flamer
*105*

veteran squad
-6 shotguns
-flamer
-meltagun
-heavy flamer
*105*

[NotSoSavvy]

Let's see... I wouldn't bother with the shotguns, you'll find the weight of fire a lasgun can offer is much more useful, especially once you start throwing orders around.

Also, in the Cadian list, don't bother with the bodyguards at this point level. I'd personally put the points into a Master of Ordinance. That Earthshaker template is great value for its' points. Also, I'd think about dropping most of the special weapons from the Command squad and put them towards getting some plasmaguns into the vet squad. Now that they're in good armour, you'll find that plasguns aren't as suicidal as they usually are with Guardsmen.

The Cat list looks pretty good, shotguns not withstanding. I personally don't like getting as close as all those flamers suggest, but I've seen it done well before. It will take some getting used to tactically if you choose to run it though.

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