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Old 08 Jun 2009, 01:18   #1 (permalink)
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Default 1250 Tournament Guard. 11 Game Tournament.

HQ
Company Command
Commander
4x Veterans

-3x Sniper Rifles
Astropath
95

TROOPS
Platoon command
Platoon Commander
4x Guardsmen

-3x Sniper Rifles
45

Infantry Squad
Sergeant
7x Guardsmen

-Grenade Launcher
Heavy Weapon Team
-Rocket Launcher
70

Infantry Squad
Sergeant
7x Guardsmen

-Grenade Launcher
Heavy Weapon Team
-Rocket Launcher
70

Infantry Squad
Sergeant
7x Guardsmen

-Grenade Launcher
Heavy Weapon Team
-Rocket Launcher
70

Heavy Weapons Team
6x Guardsmen
-3x Mortar
60

Platoon command
Platoon Commander
4x Guardsmen

-4x Melta Gun
-Krak Grenades
75 (mounted in Valkyrie)

Infantry Squad
Sergeant
9x Guardsmen

-Plasma Gun
65 (mounted in Vendetta)

Infantry Squad
Sergeant
9x Guardsmen

-Plasma Gun
65 (mounted in Vendetta)

Special Weapons Team
6x Guardsmen
-2x Melta Gunners
-Demo Charge
75 (mounted in Valkyrie)

FAST ATTACK
Valkyire
-Multiple Rocket Pods
-Heavy Bolters
140

Valkyire
-Multiple Rocket Pods
-Heavy Bolters
140

2x Vendetta
-Heavy Bolters
280

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Old 09 Jun 2009, 15:54   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: 1250 Tournament Guard. 11 Game Tournament.

Now I think there are some items missing in your list. The Command squad is 95 pts, and should be 65 with its current setting. Perhaps you have added a Astropath but not written it down?

Same thing with the platoon command with meltas. The last points are the invested in krak grenades perhaps?

Anyhow.
I am a firm beliver in Veterans. This is just my suggestion, and I think you are more into the normal infantry than veterans. But I'll toss in my two cents.

The second platoon rounds up in total for 280 pts.
Thats 31 soldiers with BS3, using weapons that require a BS test.
Now you have 6 meltas, and 2 plasmaguns, and a demo charge.

What I would field my self is the following for the same points:

- Add an special weapon squad with the same setting you have now to the first platoon
- Veterans with 2 plasmaguns and 1 flamer
- Veterans with 2 meltaguns and 1 flamer

This sums up to 275 pts with the following:
26 soldiers.
2 plasmaguns, 4 meltaguns, 2 flamers, 1 demo charge.
The plasmaguns are now at BS4, and two of the meltaguns are at BS4.
Perhaps moving the meltaguns to the veterans one way or the other and giving the special weapon squad flamers to make them fully anti personel.
Example setting 2 meltas in both Veteran squads, and one plasmagun, Special weapon squad with demo charge and flamers.

Anyhow, the troops in the Valkyries/Vendettas are the "hard" hitters in the army. Thus more "elite" soldiers.
This is just a suggestion I have that will increase the effectiveness of the mounted troops.


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Old 10 Jun 2009, 00:41   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: 1250 Tournament Guard. 11 Game Tournament.

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Now I think there are some items missing in your list. The Command squad is 95 pts, and should be 65 with its current setting. Perhaps you have added a Astropath but not written it down?

Same thing with the platoon command with meltas. The last points are the invested in krak grenades perhaps?
Yes and Yes. My bad :P.

Quote:
Anyhow.
I am a firm beliver in Veterans. This is just my suggestion, and I think you are more into the normal infantry than veterans. But I'll toss in my two cents.

The second platoon rounds up in total for 280 pts.
Thats 31 soldiers with BS3, using weapons that require a BS test.
Now you have 6 meltas, and 2 plasmaguns, and a demo charge.

What I would field my self is the following for the same points:

- Add an special weapon squad with the same setting you have now to the first platoon
- Veterans with 2 plasmaguns and 1 flamer
- Veterans with 2 meltaguns and 1 flamer

This sums up to 275 pts with the following:
26 soldiers.
2 plasmaguns, 4 meltaguns, 2 flamers, 1 demo charge.
The plasmaguns are now at BS4, and two of the meltaguns are at BS4.
Perhaps moving the meltaguns to the veterans one way or the other and giving the special weapon squad flamers to make them fully anti personel.
Example setting 2 meltas in both Veteran squads, and one plasmagun, Special weapon squad with demo charge and flamers.

Anyhow, the troops in the Valkyries/Vendettas are the "hard" hitters in the army. Thus more "elite" soldiers.
This is just a suggestion I have that will increase the effectiveness of the mounted troops.

Yours Truly

Vash
It's not so much about the skill of the troops, more so the number. Anyway, my main reason for using Platoons is that I want to try out the platoon set up before I try out Veterans.

I know I can have a similar number of Veterans as infantry although comp is a big thing here. And taking a less optimal butjust as effective choice will help there.
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Old 10 Jun 2009, 01:15   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: 1250 Tournament Guard. 11 Game Tournament.

Well then, I guess the list is as good as it gets really. If your going for the theme that is
And theme is very important for me atleast.

I was a comp hunter before too, but in the end... It doesnt really pay off to be honest. The first couple of games its okey, but towards the end effectiveness will beat comp points.
But then again, depends on the system and the importance of the comp.

In the turnaments I held i Malmö Sweden, each game had 10 points, 4-5 games
Of these game points 6 points were objective origented (as I am against plain killing), and 4 points is for killing each other.
The good thing here is that the 10 points isnt shared. The result could end 9-9, or perhaps 1-1. It all depended on how well you did your objectives, and how much you killed.

10 points aviable from painting
10 points from komp
10 points from sportsmanship

This made the it possible to get 40-50 points game points, and 30 points of hobby points (as we called it)

Anyhow... this is not about turnaments I held now Sorry

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'Soft Scores' Painting, Sports and Comp here are pretty important.

generally points are made up of 40% battle, 60% soft Scores (20% each). So here comp is pretty big.
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