[xShaperx]

Thinking up a Guard list, would be nice if people could comment on what it's missing. It's a Balanced list, squads/platoons for anti-hvy infantry, tanks for light infantry, squads for anti-tank, etc. Anyway yeah, give it a look over.

2000 List


Doctrines Taken- Storm Troopers, Grenadiers, Carapace Armor

HQ
Command Platoon
Carapace Special Gear
>Junior Officer
-No Wargear
>Commissar
-Powerfist
>Medic
>Master Vox
>2 Plasma Gunners

Fire Support Squad
>Auto cannon team
>Auto cannon team
>Auto cannon team

Anti-Tank Squad
>Missile team
>Missile team
>Missile team

Elite
Hardened Veterans
Carapace Special Gear
>H. Veteran Sgt
-Power Weapon
-Auspex
>3 Plasma Gunners
>Voxcaster
>5 Hardened Veterans w/ Lasguns

Troops
Storm Troopers
Grenadiers Doctrine
>Storm Trooper V. Sgt
-Powerfist
>Commissar
-Carapace Armor
-Powerfist
-Honorifica Imperialis
>2 Meltagunners
>6 Storm Troopers w/ Hellguns

=Chimera Transport=
-Multi-Laster
-Heavy Bolter (hullmount)
-Heavy Stubber
-Extra Armor
-Smoke Launchers

First Infantry Platoon, Command Section
>Junior Officer
>Voxcaster
>Lascannon
>2 Guardsmen

First Infantry Platoon, First Infantry Squad
Carapace Special Gear
>Lascannon
>Voxcaster
>Plasmagun
>7 Guardsmen

First Infantry Platoon, Second Infantry Squad
>Lascannon
>Voxcaster
>Plasmagun
>7 Guardsmen

Fast Attack
Hellhound
-Heavy Stubber
-Extra Armor
-Smoke Launchers

Hellhound
-Heavy Stubber
-Extra Armor
-Smoke Launchers

Sentinel Squadron
>Sentinel
-Extra Armor
-Lascannon
>Sentinel
-Extra Armor
-Lascannon
>Sentinel
-Extra Armor
-Multilaser

Heavy Support
Basilisk
-Indirect Fire
-Extra Armor

Basilisk
-Indirect Fire
-Extra Armor

Leman Russ Demolisher
-Heavy Bolter (Hullmounted)
-Plasma Cannon side sponsons
-Extra Armor
-Smoke Launchers


Here's what I don't like. I don't have enough troops. I had to give myself the Grenadiers Doctrine just so I could fill in a troops slot. That kinda bothers me. I want to keep the Hellhounds, as they're my favorite tank, and I'd like to use at least one Basilisk. I don't like how my Command Platoon is only useful for Ld, but maybe thats just how Guard works? Another thing is that I only used 3 of the 5 Doctrine points; which isn't a huge deal but w/e.

So yeah, please rip this list apart, I need help as I'm new to Guard, I've been playing Tau and Slaanesh for the past few years, no idea how to use these guys or what they're supposed to be like.

[AuinMyrrath]

As far as I can tell, it's pretty good... however, I'd drop one Basilisk for a Russ, drop the Honourifica from the Commissar (why? he's got a better statline than an HSO anyway), and maybie shuffle a couple Lascannons down to Heavy Bolters for horde control.

[Aun’o Tash’var Shin’jin]

You do know that carapace has to apply to every model who can take it...

so the Fire Support teams...

and every Guardsman unit...

unless you have a Commisaar in your platoon command you're not allowed to add him to the Stormies...

I suggest putting your fire support teams in your normal squads instead of in Fire Support teams...

maybe get rid of the Sentinels... You already got enough bang for your buck, if you want more troops, get rid of the sent's...

DO NOT give the Commisaar the Honourifca, huge waste of points for a slight stat raise...

If you want a Honourifica Character, then may I suggest a Sanctioned Psyker, with Master-Crafted Force Weapon, and a Plasma Pistol... he will hurt...

[Ge. Stankov]

You know, aside from those things others have mentioned, IE, not giving the Commissar the HI, so on,

I kind of like it! It is simple, adaptable, and flexible!

Perhaps you could play-test it and give us an idea of your sucess?

Stankov

[xShaperx]

Oh? I thought the Special Gear Doctrine was just an option for units if you bought it w/ the Doctrine point, not a requirement. That does change things.

Yeah forgive the lack of Guard knowledge, only got the Codex a few days ago, not quite sure how assigning Commissars/Advisors works yet, or the Fire Support teams etc.

The reason I like the Sentinels is b/c they give me reliable and most importantly, mobile anti-tank support. Granted I have a Lascannon platoon but they can't move+fire, and it's only 1 Lascannon per squad. I have the Storm Troopers and they would be good for armor busting, but not until they grab a good position on the battlefield to deploy out of the Chimera.

I'll have to rethink some things like Doctrines and the like, though I would like to know....do you think the current number of troops (infantry) is adequate for a 2000pt Guard army? I always pictured more but I'm not quite sure what to do, if I have a good number or if I need to drop some points.

[Aun’o Tash’var Shin’jin]

well to put you in perspective I'll show you my 1500pt army list...

[size=21pt]Cygnarian 401st[/size]

Doctrines: Grenadiers, Drop Troops, Close Order Drill, Sanctioned Psykers.

HQ

Command Squad – 91pts
Major Jax Lycan (Senior Officer) with Laspistol, Chainsword.
4 Guardsmen with Flamers,
Sanctioned Psyker with Laspistol, Chainsword.

Mortar Support Squad – 80pts
3 Guardsmen with Mortars,
3 Guardsmen with Lasguns.

Mortar Support Squad – 80pts
3 Guardsmen with Mortars,
3 Guardsmen with Lasguns.

Troops

Infantry Platoon Alpha – 299pts

Command Squad
Lieutenant Bjorn (Junior Officer) with Laspistol, Chainsword, Surveyor.
2 Guardsmen with Heavy Bolters,
2 Guardsmen with Lasguns,
Sanctioned Psyker with Laspistol, Chainsword.

Infantry Squad
Sergeant Alfgeir with Laspistol and Chainsword.
8 Guardsmen with Lasguns,
Guardsman with Missile Launcher.

Infantry Squad
Sergeant Yngvar with Laspistol and Chainsword.
8 Guardsmen with Lasguns,
Guardsman with Missile Launcher.

Infantry Squad
Sergeant Valgard with Laspistol and Chainsword.
8 Guardsmen with Lasguns,
Guardsman with Missile Launcher.

Infantry Platoon Beta – 299pts

Command Squad
Lieutenant Lokhar (Junior Officer) with Laspistol, Chainsword, Surveyor.
2 Guardsmen with Heavy Bolters,
2 Guardsmen with Lasguns,
Sanctioned Psyker with Laspistol, Chainsword.

Infantry Squad
Sergeant Nhok with Laspistol and Chainsword.
8 Guardsmen with Lasguns,
Guardsman with Missile Launcher.

Infantry Squad
Sergeant Voror with Laspistol and Chainsword.
8 Guardsmen with Lasguns,
Guardsman with Missile Launcher.

Infantry Squad
Sergeant Loroti with Laspistol and Chainsword.
8 Guardsmen with Lasguns,
Guardsman with Missile Launcher.

Grenadier Squad – 70pts
Sergeant Eirik with Hellpistol Chainsword.
2 Grenadiers with Hellguns,
2 Grenadiers with Plasma Guns,
Frag and Krak Grenades, Targeters.

Grenadier Squad – 70pts
Sergeant Ruglud with Hellpistol Chainsword.
2 Grenadiers with Hellguns,
2 Grenadiers with Plasma Guns,
Frag and Krak Grenades, Targeters.

Fast Attack

Catachan Pattern Sentinel – 55pts
Heavy Flamer, Armoured Crew Compartment.

Catachan Pattern Sentinel – 55pts
Heavy Flamer, Armoured Crew Compartment.

Hellhound – 132pts
Inferno Cannon, Hull-Mounted Heavy Bolter, Pintle-Mounted Heavy Stubber, Extra Armour.

Heavy Support

Leman Russ Demolisher – 180pts
Demolisher Cannon, Hull-Mounted Heavy Bolter, Sponson-Mounted Plasma Cannons, Extra Armour.

Leman Russ Demolisher – 180pts
Demolisher Cannon, Hull-Mounted Heavy Bolter, Sponson-Mounted Plasma Cannons, Extra Armour.

Basilisk – 155pts
Earthshaker Artillery Gun, Hull-Mounted Heavy Bolter, Armoured Crew Compartment, Indirect Fire.

Total: 1496pts

All of my minitures are going to be metal... (Steel Legion) so it should be great...

Well I have a total of: 100 infantry...

Compared to your: 63 infantry...

And I still have an extra 500pts left before I get to your pts value... that'll buy my more infantry or Chimeras...

I don't know, I like a lot of Troops... you'll have to ask Wargamer, but if you're new to guard, I suggest not taking Doctrines...

SIGAFH should be what you want...

[KGB50]

HQ: Man if you have a comissar with a powerfist, you need to give your officer a power weapon, believe me, you get way more puch for 5 points. And why are you forking out for a master vox when you don't have a HSO? leadership 10 is way more reliable then 9. Change the Fire support squad to a mortar squad as indirect fire is nasty. Upgrade the missile launchers to Lascannons to insure more anti-tank potential.

Elites: Good grief, get rid of all those troopers with lasguns. Special weapons will do most of the damage.

Troops: Why do you have all of these lascannons? CHANGE THEM to autocannons or Heavy bolters. You don't have enough troops! We recommend a minimum of 50 for 1500 points and 75 for 2000 points. Even thought they are weak, they can kill in high enough numbers... Also the comissar with HI is over the top.

Fast attack. Ditch one hellhound, two is over the top. Get rid of two sentinels and keep one with a Lascannon for anti-tank.

Heavy support: Turn the Demolisher into a normal Russ, give it a lascannon. Change one of the basilisks to a Leman Russ.

Hope this helps.

KGB

[Mrgame]

Yes drop the master vox,you can add a vet to your command platoon and a vet sgt to your squads.Change your AT to lascannons.

Hardend vets are fine as I can tell,shotguns work well to.Drop the vox.
You cant have a commissar with your storm troopers,I would give them infiltrate to as the transport is a steel coffen sometimes.
Squadsrop the voxs and add a heavy weapon.you got a special but add one in a squad.
Sentinels:Give it the upgrade where it doesnt count as opened top(cant think of name).
Drop a hellhound.
Drop a basilisk add a russ.Give your demo a hull lascannon,you can give hull heavy bolters to normal leman russes,this is your take out everything tank basicly.
For troops add an armoured fist squad. Or add another squad to your platoon and add another platoon.

[xShaperx]

Okay, I revised it a little bit, here's the 2nd version.

2,000 pt List
Doctrines Taken:
-Storm Troopers
-Grenadiers
-Veterans
-Carapace Armor


HQ
Command Platoon
Carapace Special Gear
Heroic Senior Officer
.Powersword
Commissar
.Powersword
Mastervox
Lascannon
...............................190

Fire Support Squad
Carapace Special Gear
3 Autocannons
..............................115

Anti Tank Squad
Carapace Special Gear
3 Lascannons
............................130

Elite
Hardened Veteran Squad (6)
Carapace Special Gear
3 Plasma Guns
Veteran Sgt.
-Powerfist
-Honorifica Imperialis
-Auspex
...........................................158

Hardened Veteran Squad (6)
Carapace Special Gear
3 Plasma Guns
Veteran Sgt.
Auspex
..........................................113

Troops
First Infantry Platoon, Command Squad
Carapace Special Gear
Junior Officer
Vox
Missile Launcher
.................................................. .....80

First Infantry Platoon, First Infantry Squad
Carapace Special Gear
Missile Launcher
Plasma Gunner
Vox
.................................................. .110

First Infantry Platoon, Second Infantry Squad
Carapace Special Gear
Missile Launcher
Plasma Gunner
Vox
.................................................. ...110

Grenadier Squad (9)
Meltagun
Meltagun
Grenadier V. Sgt.
.................................................. ......126

=Chimera Transport=
Multi-Laser
Heavy Bolter
Heavy Stubber
Smoke Launchers
Extra Armor
.................................................1 05

Fast Attack
=Hellhound=
Smoke Launchers
Extra Armor
Heavy Stubber
....................................135

=Hellhound=
Smoke Launchers
Extra Armor
Heavy Stubber
.....................................135

Sentinel Squadron
=Sentinel=
Lascannon
Extra Armor
Smoke
...............................63

=Sentinel=
Lascannon
Extra Armor
..............................60

Heavy Support
=Leman Russ Demolisher=
Lascannon Hullmount
Plasma Cannon Side Sponsons
Extra Armor
...........................180

=Leman Russ Demolisher=
Heavy Bolter
Plasma Cannon Side Sponsons
Extra Armor
.........................180

2,000 points on the dot

++Edit++ I was over points so I decided to just take out the Ratlings, they were to fill points I thought I had anyway, not necessary. I took out the Medic as well, he was mainly just to heal the HSO, but I guess it's not necessary. I afforded a lascannon on the Leman Russ w/ the points.

So what do you think now that it's revised? Better?

[Mrgame]

ok buddy #1 get rid of those point totals,you can get us in trouble with GW edit them out,just put the total with the whol unit with wargear and everything else added up after the entry on each unit.

On to the list.Why do you have a medic when you have no plasma,that is the only reason in my mind is what it is for,if you have 2 or more plasma in a squad it is useful.You should add a plasma gun to compliement it.I still dont like that master vox,should try Id(iron dicispline)read the codex for what it does,works more or less with the LD without the vox.
Support squads look goo now.

Vets look good,I would drop the vox again as they are pretty well off with LD of 8,add a plasma pistol and power fist(maybe honorifica).
How many ratlings?Always take a high number.
Platoon looks good,drop the voxes and add a vet sgt if you are worried about LD.

Fast attack looks good,stormtrooper squad looks good.
Demolishers are your heavy hitters and should not have heavy bolters(But considering your lascannons in your AT).Give your line squads those when you get more squads,if you want them add a russ with hull heavy bolter,bolter sponsons,and the battle cannon.Nice tank it would be.