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Old 29 Mar 2010, 22:08   #1 (permalink)
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Will you guys yell at the beginner? Hi! Guys, it is me again, I brought so many GW stuff, and I never play a single game. Last Week, I went to the shop to play a small game. I told a guy, this is my first game, and some of the rules, I still do not know, like how deep strike work. He told me. that's fine so we played the game. On my second turn, I did made a mistake, and he started yelling already, I told him I m a newbie, so correct me if I was wrong. I mean I made mistake, you did not need to yell. I mean, this was rude to a newbie.
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Will you guys yell at the beginner? Hi! Guys, it is me again, I brought so many GW stuff, and I never play a single game. Last Week, I went to the shop to play a small game. I told a guy, this is my first game, and some of the rules, I still do not know, like how deep strike work. He told me. that's fine so we played the game. On my second turn, I did made a mistake, and he started yelling already, I told him I m a newbie, so correct me if I was wrong. I mean I made mistake, you did not need to yell. I mean, this was rude to a newbie.
Someone who yells at a newbie is a complete dickhead.

Newbies should be helped, because a good game against a good opponent (that they can grow into) is better than an easy game against a newbie who is still not sure on everything.

Course, everyone has bad days - that might be why he yelled - work stress or something got to him.

I used to play with newbies at my club, but I'm not the most patient of people, and when I felt myself getting frustrated I backed off. I don't want to let my failings put off a newbie who wants to learn.


The people who taught me to play tended to be a bit dickish, and a bit beardy and out for the easy win, so I remember what its like to be in that position, and its not right.
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Will you guys yell at the beginner? Hi! Guys, it is me again, I brought so many GW stuff, and I never play a single game. Last Week, I went to the shop to play a small game. I told a guy, this is my first game, and some of the rules, I still do not know, like how deep strike work. He told me. that's fine so we played the game. On my second turn, I did made a mistake, and he started yelling already, I told him I m a newbie, so correct me if I was wrong. I mean I made mistake, you did not need to yell. I mean, this was rude to a newbie.
I myself haven't played many games, and I think I would of just left the game. Hell, you made a mistake on your second turn, of your first game, it should of been expected of a newb.

you could go to your local GW and join their club. Mine has a pistoliers, for those who are new to the game, but its limited to 500 Pnts.

I would never yell at a newb. Because we was all one once. Except for Wargamer. :P

Just keep gaming. Like everything, you'll get better in time.

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Old 29 Mar 2010, 22:30   #4 (permalink)
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I might sigh emo-like when answering basic question online, but in person I would never yell at another player, beginner or not.

I actually enjoy teaching newer players the rules and I still make mistakes in my games, I don't think I've ever seen a player play a "perfect" game consistently.
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I too am a rather new player, and i often find my self to be "king of the newbies" so to say, as i try to help out other players that have been playing as long or less time that me. And i totally agree with most statments here that i/we should help and encourge new players to learn the game. I have only got into a shouting match once, and it was with a senior player at the tourny who believed i was rolling my dice wrong the whole game...no matter how i tried to appease him.

You will always find people who are so rule crazed that players shouldnt play against any way, let alone new players. One should always be helpful and patient with new players, but not treat them like idiots....even though i have face palmed accouple times.
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Some people lose their cool, but you are a young and new player. I prefer a noob asking for help and advice rather than trying to win on pure cheesy list (eg abbaden in 1000pts). After a game, if i look like i wiped their plate clean with their bloodshed barely taking a scratch, i'll give them a few pointers as to where they could improve - even if they are an experienced player (and y'klax-headed players take this as an insult and use utter arrogance in response...)

Dont feel bad, it was your opponent, not you - there isnt anything you can do.

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I might sigh emo-like when answering basic question online, but in person I would never yell at another player, beginner or not.
Depends if it were a debate :P Jks, i know you, just like me and probably half of TO have their opinions - you are just great at sticking to that opinion by all cost

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I play ork, tau and dark eldar, and because all of the vehicles shoot like fast vehicles (either because they are, or becaue of multitrackers) i have on multiple occasions tried to shoot my looted wagon's skorcha after moving 12''...my opponent(s) have picked me up both times. Another annoyance is blast templates, because when i play guard (as rarely as that may be atm) i am too used to Hammerhead/Ravager BS of 4, rather than guardsmen's 3 (maybe i just need paskie) :P

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I might sigh emo-like when answering basic question online, but in person I would never yell at another player, beginner or not.
Depends if it were a debate :P Jks, i know you, just like me and probably half of TO have their opinions - you are just great at sticking to that opinion by all cost
Surprisingly, while my arguments are the same, in person I'm not quite the tyrant I seem like online. I'm actually more persuasive if anything, because I can get people away from their googled sources and into my mindset.

As for Orks... Meh, little things like that wouldn't really bug me. That's all innocent mistakes. You can't punish people for honest mistakes.

I may be a martinet of RAW, but I'd rather people learn the rules (imo) correctly than some of the weird houserules that have tried to pop up at our LGS.
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I do think veterans have a duty to help newbies. Even if its not a full on tutorial game they should offer advice or answer questions. Every veteran was a newb once, and they wouldn't be where they are today if no one helped them.
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Of course you tell at newbies, and you beat them with dreadsocks...how else they gonna learn?

Joking aside, no, yelling isn't acceptable at all. Newbie or Veteran. It's also not acceptable in any other game as it's not necessary to talk any louder then a regular voice.
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Except when calling a "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!"
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