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Old 18 Mar 2010, 01:37   #1 (permalink)
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Okay guys with the upcoming Blood Angels book that ive been waiting for ever for....you get what I mean...... Ive seen somebody on this site and on a few other sites mention using the Blood Angels to represent Night Lords.

I love the idea. Always been a big fan of Night Lords fluff and the BA codex looks like it could actually fit the theme of the Night Lords being that I can take tons of Jump packs, fast rhinos, Combat tactis for hit and run and Death company as the criminals, rapist and more that have joined the Night lords ranks.

I can see this being a problem though. Imagine you and I are setting up and I pull out my Night lords army and you think cool Im playing Chaos, then I say this is a 'Counts as' Blood Angels army. How would that make you feel?

So after all this it really becomes a simple question. How far are you guys willing to take count's as?
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Old 18 Mar 2010, 01:41   #2 (permalink)
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The fluff of your story means nothing on the table top, really. If you pulled out a bunch of night lords, but your roster said "Blood Angles" then it would be OK. I mean, if someone doesn't read a list (at a tourny) then it's their own fault. If it's a friendly game just make sure you tell them.
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Old 18 Mar 2010, 01:47   #3 (permalink)
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Well the way i see it, your Blood Angels, just create your own splinter group with the fluff of the Night Lords.
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Old 18 Mar 2010, 01:48   #4 (permalink)
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Nope, no problem at all.

The current CSM dex sucks for their representation.
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Old 18 Mar 2010, 03:21   #5 (permalink)
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As long as you put the effort in to make the army WYSIWYG I see no problem. If you just took your chaos army out of storage and have to proxy everything, then It's no good. But building the army around the codex, and making sure your opponent can tell what is what (or at least you can easily tell your opponent, and your consistent), then I find it's a wonderful way to be creative. There is just a boundary between having a really good count-as army, and one that is obviously there to abuse the latest codex.
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I don't think I have ever seen a Counts-As army I didn't like.
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Imagine you and I are setting up and I pull out my Night lords army and you think cool Im playing Chaos, then I say this is a 'Counts as' Blood Angels army. How would that make you feel?

So after all this it really becomes a simple question. How far are you guys willing to take count's as?
I'd play you if you were using paper cut out tau models with appropriately sized paper bases and the Necron codex for rules tied to specific units if you wanted. Makes no difference to me so long as you have a legal list from a single codex and the units and bases are the right size for los.

If I saw you pull out well modeled and painted Night Lords, I'd probably think "awesome" and the thought would end there regardless of the Codex you used to represent them, and I'd look forward to playing it.
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Old 18 Mar 2010, 17:55   #8 (permalink)
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Go for it. Nobody should have a problem with such a counts as army as long as you're clear with which codex you're using. Some of the most awesome armies are counts-as, from Orks under the Imperial Guard ruleset to Adeptus Mechanicus under whichever ruleset strikes your fancy.
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Old 18 Mar 2010, 20:58   #9 (permalink)
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I'd play you if you were using paper cut out tau models with appropriately sized paper bases and the Necron codex for rules tied to specific units if you wanted. Makes no difference to me so long as you have a legal list from a single codex and the units and bases are the right size for los.

If I saw you pull out well modeled and painted Night Lords, I'd probably think "awesome" and the thought would end there regardless of the Codex you used to represent them, and I'd look forward to playing it.
Well said, that's what a good player should do imo.

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I don't think I have ever seen a Counts-As army I didn't like.
More a conversion than a "counts-as" but have you seen the Mr. Potatohead Stompa? I don't know why, but I could see you making one.

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Go for it. Nobody should have a problem with such a counts as army as long as you're clear with which codex you're using. Some of the most awesome armies are counts-as, from Orks under the Imperial Guard ruleset to Adeptus Mechanicus under whichever ruleset strikes your fancy.
Truth, I've seen some great "counts-as" armies, some of the more common are recent "breakways" to the Imperium still fighting with their rules (or Alpha Marine anything).
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If someone complains about your "counts-as army" tell them its a <Codex Here> army, but you just didn't like the color scheme. They can't really argue about that.
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