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What can be done about double lash armies?
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Old 28 Nov 2008, 22:24   #1 (permalink)
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Default What can be done about double lash armies?

In both the doubles tournament and the 2008 Baltimore GT itself I was confronted with an enemy I'd never faced. This was a chaos army comprised of two low cost winged demon princes with the lash of slaanesh accompanied by two vindicators, a land raider containing a ten man squad of khorne berzerkers, and three rhinos with havoc launchers filled with six man squads of plague marines.

Can anything be done to stop this? I took shadow in the warp for my tyranids, but that still only amounts to a reduction in the chance for them to fail the psychic test from 1/12 to 2/9. not good enough :-/
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Old 28 Nov 2008, 22:36   #2 (permalink)
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Simple answer is...

Mechanized.

A Mech Army completely ignores Lash, as he cannot do anything against it. Take a couple small troops, mounted, and anti-tank vehicles, and he'll be toast.
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Old 28 Nov 2008, 22:44   #3 (permalink)
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Quite plainly? Not a whole lot. Daemon Princes are hard to kill. Lash is a harsh power. The combination you described is the standard for Chaos lists. The main disadvantage is in numbers. You're facing off against 6 vehicles but only 28 infantry. Your opponent's strategy is obvious, which is a second disadvantage. Drop to Land Raiders or the Princes and the whole thing starts to come unraveled. Lash cannot be used in close combat, so tying the Prince up is also a potential solution.

Basically, I'd focus on two things against this list 1) taking out the Vindicators. They are great tanks, but Weapon Destroyed = Worthless Vindicator. So pretty much any result on the damage table will nerf his strategy quickly. 2) taking out the Princes. This is a decidedly tougher path, but if you lack AP ranged weapons, it might be the only way to go. Princes are immune to to Instant Death, tough, and sport decent saves. My recommendation would be to drop another MC on him or swarm him with a ton of attacks. A slew of S4 power weapon attacks will probably be enough. Likewise, a unit like Ork Boyz or Tyranid Hormagaunts should be enough.

Really, in this type of list, the Berserkers, Land Raider, and Plague Marines are just there for added insulation. They can all hurt you, but not nearly as much as a Demolisher Cannon pie plate placed on a Lash-condensed squad can.
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Old 28 Nov 2008, 22:55   #4 (permalink)
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Would massive amounts of plasma and melta weaponry be effective at taking the princes down?

I don't know much about chaos.
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Old 28 Nov 2008, 23:17   #5 (permalink)
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Would massive amounts of plasma and melta weaponry be effective at taking the princes down?

I don't know much about chaos.
Possibly. You'd be wounding decently and ignoring his armor. But he'd still get his Invulnerables and has a pile of wounds. Still, it could be done but mostly likely not in one single turn of shooting (unless you commit multiple units...and you're dealing with two Princes). Maybe if you shot then assaulted (using Melta weaponry or the like) you could bring him down in a single turn.
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Old 28 Nov 2008, 23:52   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: What can be done about double lash armies?

Thanks, I'll keep all of this in mind.

The problem with melta weaponry is the princes' wings make it difficult to get within 12" of them.

I think as far as tyranids go, for my next battle against such an enemy I'll keep at least one vindicator at bay with my venom cannon, hopefully taking out that cannon, but at the very least making it so he can only fire one per turn. Once those are dealt with i'll go after the princes while sending in elites carnifexes against the troops. Two sets of twin-linked devourers can tear them apart; a twin-linked barbed strangler could work wonders as well. I'm also thinking about taking a winged hive tyrant after that pesky land raider, then going after the princes.

Lash does work on necrons, correct? Icer, I figure you mean mechanized strictly as in vehicles.
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Old 29 Nov 2008, 00:01   #7 (permalink)
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Lash does work on necrons, correct?
Everything but the monolith, yes it does.
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Old 29 Nov 2008, 00:46   #8 (permalink)
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Possibly. You'd be wounding decently and ignoring his armor. But he'd still get his Invulnerables and has a pile of wounds. Still, it could be done but mostly likely not in one single turn of shooting (unless you commit multiple units...and you're dealing with two Princes). Maybe if you shot then assaulted (using Melta weaponry or the like) you could bring him down in a single turn.
Looking at his stats, CC is the last place I want to try and score wounds on him. I believe shooting would be my best bet. I am thinking about an IG drop doctrine list if you were wondering. We carry so many squads packing so many guns I believe, as long as my squads arrive without dying, I would have a very good chance of doing some damage.
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Old 29 Nov 2008, 00:55   #9 (permalink)
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Devourers should be able to do the trick. So many shots with so many re-rolls!

I was thinking though, get him in CC with hormegaunts, and have catalyst in play...could make a difference...
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Old 29 Nov 2008, 02:22   #10 (permalink)
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Greetings,
What happens if you are using Tau? I fought a guy like that at the Baltimore GT also, but instead of Vindicators he used 8 Obliterators. :-(
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