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Old 25 Aug 2008, 13:12   #1 (permalink)
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Default Definition of Majority?

My Tau had a fun time stomping my Orc opponent last night , but a small rules question came up.

We had a mixed WS unit defending in assault, and the question of what the 'Majority' WS was arose.

In this particular case we had one unit at 4 WS, one at 3 WS and two at 2 WS.

We came up with three possible interpretations of the word 'majority':

1. The most-prevalent model. In this case the unit would have a 2 WS. Under this interpretation, if there was a fifth model at another WS (say we had one at 5, one at 4, one at 3, and two at 2) the 'majority' would still be a WS of 2. (Although if this is right the proper term would be 'plurality' not 'majority&#39

2. Majority is 50% or more. So in this case the WS would be 2.

3. Majority is more than 50%. So in this case the WS would be 4 (since if there is no majority you take the highest WS).

In the 'five model' case mentioned in option 1 the WS would be '5' in both options 2 and 3, since the two 2 WS models are 40% of the unit.

I could see arguments for any of these options, and couldn't find a definition of 'majority' in the 5E rules -- so what is 'usual and customary'?

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(modified to use 'unit' and 'model' appropriately)
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Old 25 Aug 2008, 13:21   #2 (permalink)
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By definition, strait majority is 50%+1.

But in the exemple you gave it's very interesting...Technically by definition there is no majority since you do not have the 50%+1 required.

But I could see people argue that WS2 would be the 'majority' because they are the most prominent (there are more of them 2 VS 1 VS 1).

I would personally say no majority, but that been said, in a case like this, it would probably require a concensus before the match starts between you and your opponent.



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Old 25 Aug 2008, 15:05   #3 (permalink)
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When something like this comes up we (opponent and I) usually use the number of attacks made by the WS.

So using your example

3 attacks are made by the WS4
3attacks are made by the WS3
2 attacks are made by the WS2 (one for each model)

For that specific example there is no majority so the highest WS is used.
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Old 25 Aug 2008, 15:22   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by RcR
When something like this comes up we (opponent and I) usually use the number of attacks made by the WS.

So using your example

3 attacks are made by the WS4
3attacks are made by the WS3
2 attacks are made by the WS2 (one for each model)

For that specific example there is no majority so the highest WS is used.
We understand that the above is the correct method for attackers -- In this case the unit in question was defending. So that is when the majority rule comes into play (like majority toughness for to-wound rolls).

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Old 25 Aug 2008, 16:00   #5 (permalink)
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On difinition of majority is the great number of part of something

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/majority

Its the first use, second entry for the word. The first entry first use has the same thing but ; "a number more than half the total" added, so it could go either way.

Personally I would say 2 since I feel the intent was which ever has the highest total. But from a RAW stand point it can go either way.
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Old 26 Aug 2008, 02:28   #6 (permalink)
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Usage indicates that GW means plurality by the word majority. Sadly, using majority is probably easier understood, as I tend to get met by blank stares when saying plurality...
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Old 26 Aug 2008, 15:01   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: Definition of Majority?

Tyndmyr you do realize that the word plurality can mean both 'more than half of the whole' and 'the choice with the greater amount in a contest between more than two choices'. ;D It can also mean simply 'more than one'.

I personally believe that it should be read as 'the choice with the greater amount in a contest between more than two choices'. In other words 1x 4, 1x 3, and 2x 2 = a majority of 2.
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Old 27 Aug 2008, 00:19   #8 (permalink)
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Uh, yes. Yes I do. I merely stated that while the intent is clearly a plurality, use of the term majority is a little more common.
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Old 27 Aug 2008, 00:23   #9 (permalink)
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In the case of three seperate WS or more in the same unit, I would say screw GW and just take the average (and round it to the nearest integer). This is more complicated than their simple rules were meant to handle.

A unit with 2 WS4 models, 3 WS3 models, and 2 WS2 models should really count as being WS3 when attacked.
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Old 27 Aug 2008, 01:41   #10 (permalink)
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What Khanaris says makes a lot of sense, but it might be easier (especially with huger squads with the same problem) to do it GW's way . . .

As far as majority, I think that's some poor word choice on the part of the rulebook writers. I took it as "most populous in the squad". Majority does mean anywhere from 50.00000...0001% to 99.999999...999% (100% being unanimity). I think we can all infer what it means, so it just comes down to a poor usage of he english language (or whatever you're currently using).
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