Tau Empire Codex 2013 | Army Builder Program
Dark Angels Codex 2013
Chaos Daemons Codex 2013
Chaos Space Marines Codex 2012

Warhammer 40k Forum Tau Online

 

Warhammer 40K Forum

destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.
Reply
Old 08 Aug 2008, 14:58   #1 (permalink)
Shas'Saal
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 176
Send a message via AIM to fiercegoldfish
Default destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

lets say a unit fails its leadership and must fall back. would it be possible to deploy, in your next turn, a squad of troops in a strait line or large U formation to block the enemies fall-back path, which would, if i read the rules correctly, destroy the enemy unit? could you also do this with vahicles?
__________________
fiercegoldfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 15:06   #2 (permalink)
Shas'Vre
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,073
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

No, iirc. That only happens if they can't make their full fallback move immediately.
__________________
"Brothers in battle and blood, In oath and honor, In life and death, In faith and in truth. Brothers in the sight of the Emperor. So be it ever, as He-on-Terra wills. Amen." - Prayer of Initiation, Knights Revenant attr. Captain Lucius Faust, 597.M41

"'Death before dishonor.' This is our creed, our way of life and death. Bolstered by the faith of the immortal God-Emperor, we may go into battle without fear for self. We know that whatever sacrifice is made in the name of He-on-Terra is not made in vain. Our honor rests in our service to Him, and we could ask no greater reward than to rest at His side, having given our utmost in His name." -Captain Anborn Tohr, after the Siege of Hydrax III

viorlashasui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 15:13   #3 (permalink)
Kroot Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 8
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

Quote:
Originally Posted by viorlashasui
No, iirc. That only happens if they can't make their full fallback move immediately.
In 4th edition it would work that way, and probably in 5th. The opponent must fail the check again and continue to fall back. You must also place enough units that he cannot possibly deviate around your unit (he is allowed to avoid being trapped in this way, so long as he doesn't "double-back").

This takes a considerable amount of units to pull this off, you're better off just letting him run off the table in most cases.
PolecatEZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 15:15   #4 (permalink)
Shas'Vre
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,073
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

He's right, but don't bother. I've won tons of games from my opponent running off the table.
__________________
"Brothers in battle and blood, In oath and honor, In life and death, In faith and in truth. Brothers in the sight of the Emperor. So be it ever, as He-on-Terra wills. Amen." - Prayer of Initiation, Knights Revenant attr. Captain Lucius Faust, 597.M41

"'Death before dishonor.' This is our creed, our way of life and death. Bolstered by the faith of the immortal God-Emperor, we may go into battle without fear for self. We know that whatever sacrifice is made in the name of He-on-Terra is not made in vain. Our honor rests in our service to Him, and we could ask no greater reward than to rest at His side, having given our utmost in His name." -Captain Anborn Tohr, after the Siege of Hydrax III

viorlashasui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 15:16   #5 (permalink)
Shas'Saal
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 176
Send a message via AIM to fiercegoldfish
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

so you guys are saying that this would be a poor tactic to implement?
__________________
fiercegoldfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 15:18   #6 (permalink)
Shas'Vre
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,073
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

Yes, it's a waste of resources most of the time. Go capture objectives with the troops you'd use for this.
__________________
"Brothers in battle and blood, In oath and honor, In life and death, In faith and in truth. Brothers in the sight of the Emperor. So be it ever, as He-on-Terra wills. Amen." - Prayer of Initiation, Knights Revenant attr. Captain Lucius Faust, 597.M41

"'Death before dishonor.' This is our creed, our way of life and death. Bolstered by the faith of the immortal God-Emperor, we may go into battle without fear for self. We know that whatever sacrifice is made in the name of He-on-Terra is not made in vain. Our honor rests in our service to Him, and we could ask no greater reward than to rest at His side, having given our utmost in His name." -Captain Anborn Tohr, after the Siege of Hydrax III

viorlashasui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 18:56   #7 (permalink)
Shas'El
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,811
Send a message via AIM to razgriz_cipher
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

no what you do when doing this is have the troops blocking the way also shoot at another nearby unit. You can also try to make them fall back by tank shock. I mean I have had this done to me with a Baal pred and 2 squads of assult Marines and an attack bike. Against two kroot squads near an objective. Sad thing to say is my first squad of kroot ended up retreating into the tank because it was coming form my rear and then i died.
__________________
Quote:
<Wargamer[TO]> - I figure it should go boom by spirit of the rules
razgriz_cipher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 20:49   #8 (permalink)
Ethereal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,961
Send a message via MSN to icer190
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

Erm...

If you have any units in assault range they have to make Leadership check or be destroyed now anyways. It doesn't matter if you are going to charge or not, if you move within 6 inches with a regular, or 12 inches with a beast/cavalry, they have to make that leadership check or be destroyed.

Now, if they get to the point where they cannot fall back at all due to Vehicles, Troops, or Terrain, then yes, they are destroyed.
icer190 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 20:54   #9 (permalink)
Shas'El
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,811
Send a message via AIM to razgriz_cipher
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

This reminds me of my strategy to kill falling back gaunts or hormaguants with tau. Make them them test. Or if you have anything that reduces leadership like Lemartes you could break some units that way.
__________________
Quote:
<Wargamer[TO]> - I figure it should go boom by spirit of the rules
razgriz_cipher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 Aug 2008, 21:10   #10 (permalink)
Shas'O
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 8,838
Send a message via AIM to Sidstyler Send a message via MSN to Sidstyler
Default Re: destroying a unit who is in the process of falling back.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Icer
Erm...

If you have any units in assault range they have to make Leadership check or be destroyed now anyways. It doesn't matter if you are going to charge or not, if you move within 6 inches with a regular, or 12 inches with a beast/cavalry, they have to make that leadership check or be destroyed.

Now, if they get to the point where they cannot fall back at all due to Vehicles, Troops, or Terrain, then yes, they are destroyed.
Say what? :-\
__________________

Warhams is serious business.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redbeard
Knowing the rules is not WAAC. Bringing tough lists is not WAAC. Acting within the scope of the rules is not WAAC.
Sidstyler is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rules Question on falling back, what determines doubling back? Ekiel General 40K 4 28 Jun 2010 10:22
Orks and falling back... Waaghsteve Orks 7 16 Apr 2009 17:26
Falling Back Monochrome Ape General 40K 7 22 Feb 2008 13:44
How does tank shock work against a unit thats already falling back? Shades1802 General 40K 12 14 Dec 2007 19:58
Biovores falling back byteboy Tyranids 11 25 May 2007 20:58