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Old 09 Jul 2008, 13:14   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys,

New to all this, just got a few question:

What army is the best for me to start with??
(I want an all round good army that is simple to use, im thinking Space Marines because they are what i used in the RTS)
I just dont know what chapter to go for. ???

Will the rulebook & codex be all i need to learn the game? ???

What would be a good starting army. :-[

Thanks in advance ;D
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Old 09 Jul 2008, 13:19   #2 (permalink)
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although i do like necron, are they any good? What is their strong point?
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Old 09 Jul 2008, 13:25   #3 (permalink)
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Hey guys,
New to all this, just got a few question:


What army is the best for me to start with??
(I want an all round good army that is simple to use, im thinking Space Marines because they are what i used in the RTS)
Well, if you are starting, you should go for Space Marines.

But it kinda depends on what army you really like.
I, for example, made my Tau army because I like how they look, not because of the rules.
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I just dont know what chapter to go for. ???
I'm not sure if I can help you that much, but I would go for Blood Angels.
They're codex is free on the GW site (at least that's what I think :P).

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Will the rulebook & codex be all i need to learn the game? ???
Yup.

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What would be a good starting army. :-[
As I've allready said, if you are starting, you should go for marines.
But of course, if you don't like how they look, you shouldn't go for them. ^^
They are good all-rounders, and are few in numbers, so you don't need to buy that many minis before you can start playing.

I'm really sorry if I'm wrong here, but I'm not that familiar with Marines.

BTW; Try not to doble post as you did here, just edit your first post.
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Old 09 Jul 2008, 13:36   #4 (permalink)
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Yes, Space Marines. All round good army that is simple to use? Look no further than the Space Marines =)

The beauty of the Space Marines is they are very forgiving for a new player, but also have lots of depth that you can diversify into as you get a more functional grasp of the game. This means that, if you wish, you can start on Space Marines and *stay* with Space Marines and not be viewed as a noob by proxy.

As for what chapter to go for, the only real issues there are if you're interested in the Dark Angels, Blood Angels or Black Templars (or Space Wolves...) because they're the only ones that actually play any different.

I'd recommend doing a lot of research on the Chapters and picking one that appeals based on the background or the colour scheme (depending on how into your fluff you are), or even coming up with your own chapter - to begin with that's as simple as picking a colour scheme but if you like writing you can come up with a full background history for them and for many of us that is one of the beauties of the hobby - it certainly is for me.

For the Chapters that aren't the ones I just mentioned the colour schemes are the only major differences, because they all follow roughly the same organisation. Admittedly there's going to be a few special characters that alter your army slightly - for example the Salamander character will allow all melta weapons rerolls to hit, which will skew your army's makeup to include more meltaguns - at least, you'd want to to take advantage of that. And there's rumours about a White Scars character who'll let you take bikes as Troops, which will be great for a fluffy army.

These are the nine first founding Legions/Chapters, along with their colours and fighting style, but remember that the fighting style is just a preference and you don't need to actually follow it:
Imperial Fists - Yellow - Siege Defence Specialists
Ultramarines - Blue - All-rounders with some background history with the Tyranids - this might appeal
Blood Angels - Red - Jump pack assault specialists, bunch of frothing madmen =P
Salamanders - Lighter Green than the Dark Angels - Melta and flame weapons, Thunder Hammers
Dark Angels - Darker Green than the Salamanders - Terminators and bikes are prevalent, lots of deep background
White Scars - White with red accents - Bike based lightning assault specialists
Space Wolves - Blueish Grey - More controlled assault and close quarters than the BAngels, some nice barbarian-influenced background
Raven Guard - Black - Stealth and jump packs
Iron Hands - Black with Silver hands - Vehicles and technology

Each one of those has a deep history that you can immerse yourself in if that's your thing. Or, like I said, if you want to make your own road you could make a Successor Chapter and come up with your own deep history.

There's also the Black Templars who are black (unsurprisingly) and a Successor of the Imperial Fists. They operate most differently to all the other Space Marine chapters, with lots of assaulty units as well as a mixed combat style - their Scouts are within their Tactical Squads rather than operating separately. Out of all of the Marine codexes, the Templar one is most different.

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And yes, all you will need to start playing is the rulebook and the codex, however as a Space Marine (unless you're going DAngels, BAngels or Templars) both a new rulebook and a new codex are coming out very soon so don't go rushing to the store to buy them up tomorrow.

Ideally to help you learn the game you will also need us ;D (well you won't need us but we will be very useful) and a friend who is also interested or a decent hobby shop to help with your "training." With a friend you can help work things through together.

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I can heartily recommend you the Space Marines. No other army is as easy to use as them, not even the Necrons (what with their Phase Out and such... and they leave much less room for expansion into your own different playing style). Once you've got the hang of things you can diversify. You say you used the SMs in the RTS which makes me think that you like their look and background most too - so I won't say "If you like how they look better, try Eldar" or something similar because chances are you've already thought of that, plus the Eldar are one of the hardest to get right for a newbie.

Good luck young sir!

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Edit after Jais Ninja'd me:

Okay, also interested in Necrons are we?

They are tough like Space Marines and it takes a lot to put them down so they can be quite forgiving, however, against anyone who knows what they're doing they are actually easier to fight than Space Marines so I wouldn't recommend them. Plus, although it's easy, they are very boring to paint. As I said further up, once you've started off on Marines it's very simple to branch off and specialise in assault or shooting or stealth or pretty much any of the specialisations (except possibly playing a horde...), whereas with Necrons they don't have that much choice in what you can field so that's the main reason I would recommend them, once you've seen one competitive Necron army you've pretty much seen them all whereas even now the Marines can still surprise me and work well.

Plus, if you start with what we call the "Vanilla" (i.e. basic) Marine codex you can diversify from there into one of the other more specialist codexes, rather than simply specialising within that one (which is easy enough to do anyway), so you have lots and lots of options.

In fact, you could even get away with using the Chaos list with the same models to represent renegades if you like, apart from things like Land Speeders and Razorbacks...

Basically, I think you should steer away from the 'Crons and go with the Marines, unless there's something you really really like about the Necrons.

Again, good luck young sir!

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Old 09 Jul 2008, 14:08   #5 (permalink)
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Heyo chich0, Welcome aboard ;D. I think alot has already been said advice wise, but I'll just toss in my two cents. Marines and Necrons tend to be rather forgiving with their good toughness, armour and, in the case of necrons, the We'll be Back rule. As such they tend to be a good choice for a first army. I'd still recommend having a look around at all the armies out there just in case there's one that really strikes your fancy.

There's a new edition of the rules about to come out in a few days, so that's probably your best bet. In a few months they will also be releasing a starter box, with rules, dice and a pile of models. Even if you already have already purchased the big rulebook (which I actually recommend for a new player as it will allow you to read up on 40k backgound), should you go with either marines or orks as your first army the starter box will at the very least give you a good deal on models.
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Old 09 Jul 2008, 17:19   #6 (permalink)
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Welcome to the forums!

I also find it helpful to look at GW's update schedule. Space Marines are getting a new book and a range of new models within a few months. They are always a popular army, and are in some ways designed to be the best to start off with if you are new to the game. When GW releases the 5th Edition starter set with Space Marines and Orks, that would give you two small armies to try out, each with a very different style of play.

Necrons are easy to paint quickly, and are the most durable army in the game. But they are fairly slow, and they don't have as many options as some of the other armies.
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Old 09 Jul 2008, 22:59   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the info guys.

One thing thats not quite clear if i startw ith a normal SM army (and yes i love thier looks)
what do you mean i can expand ???

Like dip into other codex's like space wolves etc..?
And you can make ur own colour scheme for any army cant you?
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Old 09 Jul 2008, 23:08   #8 (permalink)
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One thing that's not quite clear if i start with a normal SM army (and yes i love their looks)
what do you mean i can expand ???

Like dip into other codex's like space wolves etc..?
And you can make your own colour scheme for any army cant you?
Yeah you can paint them all Warlock purple with Goblin Green as the fine detail paint if you wanted to. Its up to you. Space Marines from what I've seen are pretty versatile meaning if you where interested in any part of the Inquisition (Demon Hunters/Sisters of Battle) you can add Space Marines to them as troops, etc... I'm sure there are more options but those are the two that come to mind off the top of my brain. I think the first step would be to acquire the codex and read it to get an idea.

Another option I think someone mentioned is Necrons. They are pretty simple to learn and there are not an overwhelming amount of options or variables that you have to worry about. Only down side is that you might get bored with them...
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Old 09 Jul 2008, 23:14   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the info guys.

One thing thats not quite clear if i startw ith a normal SM army (and yes i love thier looks)
what do you mean i can expand ???

Like dip into other codex's like space wolves etc..?
And you can make ur own colour scheme for any army cant you?
I would say that he meant that you can make something like a dark angles 3rd to 5th company army as they normaly use a codex style setup.
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Old 09 Jul 2008, 23:16   #10 (permalink)
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well here's how it is, eventually ill be doing 2 armies with my own board so i can play at home with guests, ill go space marines first, what should i do?

go buy the codex and rulebook i guess? im ready to start buying next week

Point me in the right direction guys i know you will.

i know there is a new codex but im a bit impatient LOL i really want to get started.
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