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Old 02 May 2008, 19:19   #1 (permalink)
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I have been considering starting fantasy with brettonians for a little while, but recently I have gotten interested in the Death World Vets list. What should I do, I have 1500pts marines, 500pts orks (will be increased to 1000pts before starting Death World vets or Brettonia) and looking at the Brettonian summary, their infantry, and archers look like poor quality units
I was going to have an archer heavy force with little in the way of cavalry (yay Agincourt!). I don't know the Fantasy rules and would be getting skull pass (for grot like models and dice along with rules) if I chose the Fantasy route, or with the same amount of money for Skull Pass & Brettonia book, fill a Death World platoon. Please help me decide.
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Old 02 May 2008, 19:39   #2 (permalink)
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Catachans, there very diffrent from orks and marines while bretonnian peasant heavy forces are like orks and marines are like knight brettonians. Catachans are very dakka and could pack a punch in close combat but needed to be used with a tacticful mind or your screwed up the but, plus they will be cheaper, no 50 USD models for 5 guys.
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Old 02 May 2008, 21:06   #3 (permalink)
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You could get Brettonians and 40k-ify them, and use them as both.

If you have ever read "Decent of Angels," Caliban was pretty much a Deathworld with long-standing, knightly traditions. You can say that your DWVs hail from a similar and maintained their traditions after being brought back into the Imperium.

Even though DWVs are usually portrayed by Catachans, there is nothing to say that all DWVs look like Rambo (unless the Rambo look is what is drawing you).

You can keep them equipped with bows and such for Fantasy Games, and for 40k just explain that each arrow is tipped with a small explosive charge or something along that line.
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Old 02 May 2008, 23:17   #4 (permalink)
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I run brets(as well as most everything else), and yeah...the men at arms blow. the archers are only marginally effective...Ive seen them used with a treb, huge blocks of archers, and march blocking pegasus knights, but thats about the only way it's possible. Alternatively, go straight knights. Highly effective.
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I run brets(as well as most everything else), and yeah...the men at arms blow. the archers are only marginally effective...Ive seen them used with a treb, huge blocks of archers, and march blocking pegasus knights, but thats about the only way it's possible. Alternatively, go straight knights. Highly effective.
I told you [Clip-II] that an all-archer and no knight army was stupid. :

But I personally want you to do Brets just so my Dwarfs have something to cleave with their axes. :P And I do Guard (but not DWVs).
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Old 03 May 2008, 00:59   #6 (permalink)
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Can someone explain how the sharpened stakes in front of the archers work?
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Old 03 May 2008, 03:52   #7 (permalink)
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They deny charge bonuses. Of course, it's not like you'll win combat regardless, and you have crap ld. Also, you lose them if you move from that position.
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Old 03 May 2008, 04:55   #8 (permalink)
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Brettonian archers are actually the most cost effective archers in the game and a Peasant Brettonnian force can do quite well I run
1 Unit of 15 Skirmished Bowmen with a Musician 110 points
2 units of 15 Bowmen with Musicians and Villeins 200 points
3 Units of 20 Man at arms with Musician and standard and Wardens 369
1 Unit of 10 Men at arms 50
1 Palladin on Foot Virtue of Empathy Shield Biting Blade and warbanner 97
1 Palladin General on Barded Warhorse 74
1 Trebuchet with Craftsmen 100
1000 points

Its a pretty strong list the Palladin on foot is in a Man at arms unit and the 10 man man at arms unit stays behind that unit to get the Palladin on foots LD

The archers set up in the corners of the field the skirmishers proceed into battle behind the man at arms

the Palladin General keeps the other 2 big units of Man at arms in check
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Except that you are required to field 1 unit of knights regardless.
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