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Old 17 Mar 2008, 23:01   #1 (permalink)
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The movie Dune seems to have a lot of similarities of the Warhammer 40k time period. Is it possible that it takes place during the same time?
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 23:17   #2 (permalink)
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For several reasons, no. Aliens, besides the sandworms do not play an overly large part in Dune.

However, The navigators and the spacing guild do have many similarities, such as having a monopoly on space travel.

one small problem: One of the orange catholics bible's teachings is :You shall not make a machine in the image of a man. that's the entire reason they have mentats.

They would have some issues with the adeptus mechanicus.
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 23:56   #3 (permalink)
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Okay - I'd Like to point out that I don't know much about the Dune universe (read - none) but Iv'e already spotted a few flaws in that argument


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For several reasons, no. Aliens, besides the sandworms do not play an overly large part in Dune.

Theres entire ages in mankind history (in 40k) where it's been human versus human - reign of blood, age of apostaty (sp?) horus heresy, the re-forging of the imperium, badab wars, all 13 black crusades, the entire frigging inquisition.

See? Humans can still have a good fight without the intrusion of aliens.
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However, The navigators and the spacing guild do have many similarities, such as having a monopoly on space travel.
I wouldn't say the navigators have a monopoly on space travel. The eldar manage fine with their webways, Chaos run amok wherever they please, Tau get by and Orks don't even bother to navigate.

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one small problem: One of the orange catholics bible's teachings is :You shall not make a machine in the image of a man.
That kinda rings a bell here - the Imperiums fear of Artifical Inteligence. Iron men anyone?

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They would have some issues with the adeptus mechanicus.
the ad mech aren't robots - they are men (and women) that have their bodies augmented with bionic parts. Of course, they believe flesh is weak, but they do not build robots.

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And shouldn't this be in the 40k universe bit?
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Of course, they believe flesh is weak, but they do not build robots.
Well, this is actually debatable. Servitors would class as cyborgs, part human and part machine, but there are mentions of actual Mechanicus robots. They have nothing against robots themselves, but against true AI.
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I do happen to know that they use lasguns in Dune. :rockon:
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Old 18 Mar 2008, 02:32   #6 (permalink)
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I do happen to know that they use lasguns in Dune. :rockon:
Yeah, but when they hit a shield you get a big, big boom.


Anyway, in Dune Terra was nuked as part of the Butlerian Jihad against the machines.

The events in Dune take place about 30,000 years before 40k.

So no Terra, no golden throne, no emperor etc etc.


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Old 18 Mar 2008, 02:42   #7 (permalink)
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In Horus Rising they say that making an artificial intelligence machine is against the views of ad mech.
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Old 18 Mar 2008, 02:44   #8 (permalink)
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They call AI Abominable Intelligence. So again "Thou shalt not create a machine in the image of man". Of course, in Dune the Ixians and Tleilxau (sp) try skirting this by making supertech cyborgs and bioengineered supermentats, similar to what the Admech does.

That said, one could make the argument that Space Marines take a lot of influence from the Saradukar as warrior-fanatics devoted to their Emperor...
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Dune probably inspired a great amount of 40ks background. But I don't think 40k approachs the work of Herbert, at all.
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Dune probably inspired a great amount of 40ks background. But I don't think 40k approachs the work of Herbert, at all.
Along with Starship Troopers, Star Wars, and the likes.

Warhammer 40k's universe is a myriad of thing s from many science fiction novels in addition to Gothic ones. For example the Fish Speakers from Dune serves as a basis for the Sisters of Battle, while the Saudarkar gives some of its ideas into the Space Marines, along with Starship Troopers.
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