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Old 15 Feb 2008, 01:12   #1 (permalink)
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Default United call, Tau online, I need your ears.

I want to research this further, and this may be my most ambitious project yet.

I would like to try to run a part time business, specializing in the games of 40k, and cheaper dice, and measuring tapes, supplies etc.

I am at planning stage at this point, in the good old states

question 1

I need as much info as I can get. Does GW force any order upon independent shops? Could I order say tau crisis suits now and then? instead of having to buy the crap I don't need? will I be forced into a massive investment?

question 2

Does anyone know the basic legal system of running a business. I am looking at reselling licenses, business etc..based on the business intended to run.

would working out of parents home have any huge liabilities.

Question 3

What specific types of gaming supplies do you like, or find helpful in warhammer 40k (no one likes buying 8 buck tape measurer's, or 10 bucks for dice.) or more simply, what do you want.

Question 4

I am a lone person, what organization works best.?

Question 5

Do you like options on your shipping?

Do you want the ability to order express mail? priority mail?





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Old 15 Feb 2008, 02:01   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: United call, Tau online, I need your ears.

Business stuff depends a lot on what state you are in, and how business friendly they are. A good option is using a Limited Liability Company, or LLC. They keep your creditors from taking your personal assets if your venture doesn't go well, and are cheap to set up ($125 in Florida!).
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Old 15 Feb 2008, 02:35   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: United call, Tau online, I need your ears.

was worried about the folks on that one...worth knowing.

Thanks so far.
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Old 15 Feb 2008, 03:59   #4 (permalink)
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GW requires you have a storefront, which is open at least 12 hrs per week. Additionally, they have some harsh restrictions on online sales/advertising, and require a several thousand dollar initial investment for a complete rack of product. Contact GW Trade Sales for the exact details on that, though, as I don't know the precise order requirements off the top of my head.

Also, specialist games orders are, if permitted, highly discouraged.

Don't mean to get you down with all this, but GW is attempting to limit online/mail order sales, as they tend to be able to offer lower prices than brick and mortar places, which GW has invested heavily in. If you've got the right setup though, it's doable. Heck, Im considering starting a lil shop in a year or so.
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Old 15 Feb 2008, 04:07   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: United call, Tau online, I need your ears.

yeah thats what I was fearing. But for me, I don't have the money buildup for a thousand dollar investment of Klkn i don't need.

I would figure the more vendors able, the more GW technically has business. As more people invest into a product, they will have to buy directly from the source. If profit it good, the business buys more from GW.

in fact, as more vendors spread out, warhammer 40k becomes more known, more people will invest into something specific the vendors dont have. Or the vendors will order from GW and GW still makes a buck.

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Old 15 Feb 2008, 04:23   #6 (permalink)
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This is true...but I suppose if they set the initial bar to become a vendor too low, hobbyists would exploit it to save money. Heck, I would in a heartbeat.

Keep in mind that you needn't go it alone...find a coupla friends with different armies, and go in together. Ebay what you don't need for marginal profit. All you need is a way to get around the storefront rule long enough to get the initial batch. At least, if you're not planning on doing it long term.

Oddly enough, my biggest failing is that I can't seem to find decent retail locations(Columbia, MD)...unless I want to go into a mall, which Im still debating. Its the GW strategy, and I guess it works for them because of traffic, but the rent in those places are crazy, and its difficult to afford much play space.
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Old 15 Feb 2008, 05:03   #7 (permalink)
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Reselling is technically illegal (if I read this right) without a reselling license. or more specifically it is illegal to use it for personal use. And I would conclude that Gw would like to see proof of a business establishment. Ie registrations, business id number.

but I would probably cut friends in on deals too, if things were say 30% off heh.
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your telling me...

rent is horrible out here, at least what I would make it out to be.

online stores are cheaper to run, easier to maintain, and easier to keep track of. And the thing about partners...Im more of a recluse, sunlight scares me at times (not really)

I would suppose I have an anti social disorder. Oh well.

and in addition online stores can ship to places, without those storefronts.
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Old 15 Feb 2008, 13:05   #8 (permalink)
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OK I just talked to GW on Wednesday about becoming a retailer for them.

Here is a few things you need to know in no order. All of these are assuming you are in America

1) If you are forming either a Partnership, LLP, LLC, or Corporation you will need a EIN (Employer Identification Number). This is easy process to get the number. It is a simple form you fill out with the IRS.

2) If you are doing a sole owner business then you should be able to use your SSN.

3) If you are going with option 1 then you will need to form the "Corporation" which means you will need a lawyer of some type. The cost varies, but the estimate I had to setup a S-Corp is around $1000.

4) You must have a store front and be open at least 12 hours a week. Everything else is up to you.

5) You may not see any GW products over the internet. You may not post prices or pictures of GW products on the internet.

6) You may advertise on your website that you sell GW products and list them as X% off of retail. However, customers must then call you and place the order over the phone. GW will proceed with legal procedures if you do not comply with this.

7) The best initial investment is just under $2000 cost, which is $3400 in retail. This provides you with free shipping from GW as long as you meet certain easy to follow guidelines. The free shipping can save you hundreds of dollars in a years time.

8) After the first investment, you can buy what every you want from GW. No minimals on orders.

9) Depending on the local of your business you will need a business liscense with the County/City that your business will be located in.

10) Ebay is considered selling online. GW is in the process of stopping stores from selling on ebay.

11) I am not sure what you meant by "Reselling is illegal"??

12) GW does not require you to provide proof of a store. They rely on an honur system. But remember if you were to get caught there could be some legal troubles.

13) I think I found a work-around to the store front but I am not sharing on the internet. (Sorry I am going to be selfish... if it works I will share it at a later time.)

14) If planning to store inventory at your parents house then you need to check with their home owners insurance. Sometimes you will need a rider to insure to inventory in case of a fire or other problems.

15) Forming a LLC, LLP, or S-Corp, or C-Corp can be a good way to limit your liabilties. This could range anywher from bankruptcy to someone slipping and falling in your store and suing you and the business. Check with BOTH a CPA, and a lawyer. The different types of business has pro's and con's for both legal issues and tax issues. Also the CPA can answer more spec questions about your local laws with reagrd to sales tax and state W/H laws.

16) If I did not answer any question you still have please re-ask it and I will try my best.

Just some background info on myself. I am an accountant, that spec in small business management. I have been pondering opening a game store myself for about 5yrs. The main reason I have not yet, is I can not afford to quit my job. Most business can not be run part time. The require lots of time and energy. Running your own business is not a 40hr/wk job.

Hope I have been helpful.
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Old 15 Feb 2008, 15:25   #9 (permalink)
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7) The best initial investment is just under $2000 cost, which is $3400 in retail. This provides you with free shipping from GW as long as you meet certain easy to follow guidelines. The free shipping can save you hundreds of dollars in a years time.

8) After the first investment, you can buy what every you want from GW. No minimals on orders.
Huh, that seems different to when I looked into this with a friend of mine about 6 or 7 years ago. The initial investment looks familiar, but there were a slew of rules about how you had to display their products in your store, ordering, and minimum orders to maintain a certain discount. Seems like they've loosened up a little.
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Old 15 Feb 2008, 15:30   #10 (permalink)
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Yes they have alot. The was no mention about how to display the merchadise, and it said no minimum orders.

They are trying to be the kinder gentler GW.

Several years ago, I never would have thought about selling their products. But they changed alot of their old tactics.
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