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Old 22 Jan 2008, 22:56   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all,
Some nooby questions. Been to GW once, 5hr drive, so I have a light grasp on rules as I play with a friend.

1. I'll need an example for this one. Say I have a Tyrant that fires 12 shots. He wounds with all of them against a squad of 10 models. How is the saving resolved?

2. If my unit is forced to fall back after assault, is it done straight after the fighting of that force or is it resolved in the movement phase/after all other units have fought?

I'm going to check BBB one more time and grab some cake, so cheers folks!

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Old 22 Jan 2008, 23:04   #2 (permalink)
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1) One (and only one) of those wounds can be forced on one specific model, i.e. you can say "make a save on that guy with the plasma gun" and if that fails he dies. Then he rolls the remaining eleven saves (which could potentially kill all of them, including the guy with the plasma gun, if he survived).

2) It's done straight after that fight. That's why it makes a difference what order you fight combats in. Well. That's how we do it at my store, so I kinda assume it's right. The blueshirts are really, really good on the rules.
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Old 23 Jan 2008, 06:59   #3 (permalink)
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I aggreed with everything you said except:

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the blueshirts are really, really good on the rules.
What is this heresy!

But yes, circus is correct.
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Old 23 Jan 2008, 11:24   #4 (permalink)
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Wait a sec! For the first question about a unit getting hit more then there are models. The player doing the shooting chooses who makes the separate save but the owner of the model getting shot chooses what he saves from. For example if you shot a 5 man marine squad, and one has a flamer, and 7 bolter shots and a krak missile all hit and wounded from a single squad then that person can pick which marine gets hit. (probably the flamer) the plater who owns the flamer gets to choose what he saves from. (probably a bolter round to keep him alive longer).
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yes if you want to be silly. At my store we do it the logical way and organise shooting into sets in the same way as combat attacks, in your example, the bolters are one set, the flamer another and the krak another, that way everything makes far more sense and you get to use the rule for what it's there for, killing sergeants and heavy weapons people.
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I aggreed with everything you said except:

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the blueshirts are really, really good on the rules.
What is this heresy!

But yes, circus is correct.
I've heard some horror stories about other stores, but my own blueshirts are top notch.
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yes if you want to be silly.
WTF? Your making a house rule, saying that it's the right way to play it when asked for "the rules", and calling others silly? How silly.

Fact is, cruton is correct. You get to single out one model to take a save on the spot, but the owning player still gets to choose what weapon it's wounded by.

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yes. By silly I just mean that it makes less sense and defeats the point of the rule which is if I remember correctly to make heavy weapons guys and sergeants less invincible.

I didn't mean silly as in wrong but just silly as in seemingly, at least to me, an illogical interpretation of the rules.

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Well its cool if your gaming group agrees to that house rule. But the current way your supposed to do it is hardly an "illogical interpretation". The BGB clearly states that "The owning player can choose which wounding he saves against..." pg.26. Their really is nothing to interpret.
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That wasn't what I meant was illogical, I meant that the trying to shoot with all the squad weapons at the same time can be difficult (you might not have enough different dice) and shooting in sets and saving all the wounds at the same time just seems silly to me.

But this is off-topic. I think we'll just have to agree to differ about which way is better, I know mine isn't RAW but to me at least (probably because it's practically the only way I've ever played) seems more logical.
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