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How does tank shock work against a unit thats already falling back?
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Old 13 Dec 2007, 15:41   #1 (permalink)
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Default How does tank shock work against a unit thats already falling back?

Okay the titles pretty self explainitory. ;D

Basiclly me and my tyranid buddy were playing a quick 500 point game and I wanted to tank shock a squad of his gaunts to bunch em up for my hammerheads submunition, however we weren't sure what to do morale-wise seeing as they were already falling back after a failed out-of-synapse test.

We ended up just ignoring the morale test altogether and they had to wait till his next turn's movement phase to fallback (which they lived onto thanks to an unfortunate miss on my hammerheads part )

So I'm really asking if we did it right and if not then how should we have done it?
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Old 13 Dec 2007, 15:55   #2 (permalink)
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There isn't anything specifically about it in the rules, so my personal rule would be that they test morale as normal, and the normal results apply. If they pass it they can D&G, and just move min distance out of the way. If they fail it they fallback 2d6 and become broken (no effect since they are already broken).

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i do it like assault, they take an unmodified ld test and if they fail they're destroyed
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Old 13 Dec 2007, 16:08   #4 (permalink)
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i do it like assault, they take an unmodified ld test and if they fail they're destroyed
I suggested this at the time actually but he disagreed ( probably because it would have likely been death for his gaunts :P).
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Old 13 Dec 2007, 16:26   #5 (permalink)
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well the category tankshock comes under is called 'Tanks and assault' so I've also classed it as an assault move, as its not clear.. as the unit can't take another break test as its already falling back, it would have to try and regroup, and the only time you get to regroup in the enemy turn is if your being assaulted, where you take an unmodified check and if you pass you'll go into combat (or in this case dive out of way of tank) or you get smushed.. but that makes them regroup then..
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Old 14 Dec 2007, 10:12   #6 (permalink)
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I know this isnt really an answer (I don't know, I think both sides have good points). But if you go with the one where they are allowed a chance at DoG then it better just to move the vehicle close to them and "buzz" them so to speak, seeing as they can't rally if an enamy unit is within 6" (sorry if you knew this and I'm stating the obvious, alot of people I know overlook it).

Alternatively (if you want something that IS covered by the rules) you can outflank them with a fast vehicle (easy with a skimmer, as it can just move over them and not tank shock) and kill them with the cross fire rule.
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Old 14 Dec 2007, 11:42   #7 (permalink)
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yeah.. rules conflict with each other.. overall i suggest just rolling for it, whooever wins is right
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Old 14 Dec 2007, 12:04   #8 (permalink)
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I would have to say Leadership or destroyed as well, it just seems the logical explaination.

But wait! This is GW, logic has NO place here
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Old 14 Dec 2007, 12:30   #9 (permalink)
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I would say that the fact that they are already broken wouldn't make a difference with a literal interpretation. I would just have them take another test. If they fail, they run again. If they pass, they move out the way but are still broken. In practical terms, it won't make a huge difference. In the first case, they may run far enough to regroup. In the latter, the won't be able to regroup and will have to run in their own turn.
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Old 14 Dec 2007, 13:31   #10 (permalink)
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I think the issue (for me anyway) is if they get to make the second test it would imply they would be able to make a DoG attack at the vehicle should they pass.
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