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Old 24 Oct 2007, 11:45   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, so I have been thinking about this for a little while, and I have come to a conclusion, I cannot decide what it is!

So, I'm puting it up to you guys, if a multi-wound unit(IE a unit consisting of models with more than one wound) is hit with an instant death gun, and they fail two invunerable saves, do you take out two models, or just one? I ask because you are supposed to take out whole models when neccessary, but that is only two wounds that happen to be double toughness.

So what would you do in this situation?
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Old 24 Oct 2007, 11:57   #2 (permalink)
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You remove two models. Each wound taken instantly kills one of the squad members, the same applies to swarms,
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Old 24 Oct 2007, 13:54   #3 (permalink)
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Kai is correct.

Look at it this way. Three models in the squad. Each has two wounds. Squad is hit with two Lascannons. You go to assign wounds. First model gets 1 wound and is instantly killed. You now have one more wound to place on a model, which gets instantly killed as well.
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Old 24 Oct 2007, 14:02   #4 (permalink)
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On the other hand, say the squad has taken bolter hits earlier. You can certainly take a lascannon hit on the wounded guy.
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Old 24 Oct 2007, 14:09   #5 (permalink)
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On the other hand, say the squad has taken bolter hits earlier. You can certainly take a lascannon hit on the wounded guy.
Actually because you have to remove whole models when applicable he pretty much HAS to remove to wounded guy. Although I'll admit arguing over this is moot, just because it would be stupid not too.

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Whilst I'm not certain whether this still applies, in previous editions you couldn't allocate an instant-death attack to a "wounded" model unless all other targets were 1-wound models, in which case you must kill the wounded model.

This is to maintain the rule stating you remove whole models when possible, and also to prevent people absorbing wounds from weak enemies, and then "wasting" those shots by killing the guy with a big gun.

To clarify;

Let's assume you have an Ogryn unit (T4, 3 wounds each).

The squad takes two wounds from Bolter fire, and one from a Krak Missile. As the Krak Missile is Instant Death to the squad, it effectively deals three wounds, and thus removes a whole model.

So, if you apply the Missile first, this is obvious; one dies, the second then loses two wounds.

If you reverse it, the first model loses two wounds. The Missile then takes a third, and has two remaining wounds to allocate.


This interpretation of the wound allocation system is generally considered the fairest method.
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Old 24 Oct 2007, 15:22   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, now you mention it I do remember something about that, but I can't remember if it is still in this ed or not (my rule book is at a friends, and Im at work - hence todays trolling).

Although that is fair the remove whole modells where possible rule would seem to imply that if, in your example, the missle and the bolters came from different squads and the missle came from the second squad to fire it would still remove the already wounded ogryn. What you've suggested is fairer, but from memory that seems to be how it would pan out.
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Old 25 Oct 2007, 20:08   #8 (permalink)
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it is as explained above. the more hits thing...
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