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Old 18 Sep 2007, 02:52   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys! Now I have been debating about playing Warhammer 40k for years and I have finally decided to take the plunge into the hobby. Blah Blah Blah back story and crap.

Now I know that you guys probably have more experience then I may ever have in Warhammer. You have fielded many armies, and between all of you have fought almost every type of army imaginable at least 20 times over, and probably more.

Now I was wondering if you guys could share with me, what in your opinion is the most defensive army out there in the 40k universe. I ask this because I want a defensive style of play, and while I have read a bit on most armies from the Warhammer website. I know that it is much better to ask people who have been playing the game.

So my question to you guys is, What seems to be the most defensive army in the game? One that is able to shrug off almost anything you throw at it and then able to break down your worn out force? From reading the GW site, it seems to be the Necrons, but I want to know what you guys think. Hopefully it will help me to pick an army that I may one day be able to command myself.
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Old 18 Sep 2007, 03:45   #2 (permalink)
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Well, I am only really limited to Eldar, and just starting orcs.
But i would say your idea of necrons would be a good bet, or you could could try tau. However I have the feeling they are more of an offensive shooting army.
When I started the hobby, I asked the GW guy something similar and his response was "just pick the army you think looks the coolest" maybe something you can take on board
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Old 18 Sep 2007, 04:16   #3 (permalink)
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Defensive Armies?

Imperial Guard, it's right in the name. More heavy weapons than you could ever guess.

Shooty Marines, tough as nails and still have some Close Combat Punch. Few in Number.

Necrons, Tough as marines and can get back up after death. Not the most customizable army though.

Iron Warriors, not sure how they are in the new 'dex(as I haven't seen it)but any army in that style will be defensive. Few in number as well.

Kau'yon style Tau, "patient hunter" doesn't seem like an offensive army.

That's all from the top of my head.
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Old 18 Sep 2007, 04:19   #4 (permalink)
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Imperial Guard, particularly the SIGAFH (Shooting Imperial Guard Army From Hell) setup, take the cake uncontested.
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Old 18 Sep 2007, 04:46   #5 (permalink)
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Imperial Guard, particularly the SIGAFH (Shooting Imperial Guard Army From Hell) setup, take the cake uncontested.
Well IMO, it doesn't do well in ANY missions. You can't have full static. You need some mobile units (at least one or two) for reckon, grabbing loot, etc. Even in cleanse you need to push SIGAFH from one quarter and grab two others and you are in business. ***I think a lot of people will disagree with my negativity towards full static, but I still think that you need agility to respond to be able to handle all comers...***

On topic of defensive armies ->

- Hybrid TAU with solid fire base.
- Hybrid SIGA.
- Iron Hands Space Marines (One of the chapters).
- Most necron set ups are ultra solid. Be advised, Necrons are very vulnerable to HtH specialists.
- Eldar with wraith walls (Ask Yr how to make one of these ^_^)
- Death Guard
- Hybrid NidZilla
- Death Wing

List goes on really. All of them are relatively slow, and uses superior armor and Toughness to survive. Some like IG has numbers and rock solid tanks on its side. Some fast attacking armies are also tough, but these usually rely on sitting & shooting or slow advancing. Thats why I think they would be more defensive.

If you look on forums you can look over some army boards and choose for yourself.

And btw, welcome to forums ^_^.

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Old 18 Sep 2007, 06:32   #6 (permalink)
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If you're looking for an ultra-defensive army, you should definately go for either NidZilla (basically, Tyranids with massive monsters crawling along the board. Be warned, many veiw this army as 'cheesy&#39 or Eldar with Wraithwalls (ask Yriel of Iyanden for information about this set-up. He is an expert on it).
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Old 18 Sep 2007, 09:17   #7 (permalink)
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So my question to you guys is, What seems to be the most defensive army in the game? One that is able to shrug off almost anything you throw at it and then able to break down your worn out force? From reading the GW site, it seems to be the Necrons, but I want to know what you guys think. Hopefully it will help me to pick an army that I may one day be able to command myself.
The most defensive army? Hmm, wrong question, mate!

Defensive is a style of play, not an army theme.

you can play a defensive style with any army list in the game. On the other hand, you can play offensive style with any list in the game - it all boils down to how you play it.

Take a look at marines. Rock solid basic troopers. They can easily be built into a long range shooty army of death that obliterates anything that tries to move closer to engage them, and they have the firepower tofight toe to toe with anyone else in a long range shooty fight. (I'm particularly fond of my devestator company list. 30 heavy weapons, 50 marines! ) Tac squads, Dreadnoughts, command squads, devestator squads.

Its the same with chaos marines with obliterators, havoks, and the new plague marines and thousand sons rules (these 2 units are rock hard, in the case of the former almost unstoppable, and in the latter, viciously hard hitting)

Imperial Guard go less with quality and more with quantity. But hey, you're facing 3 Leman Russ behemoths on the field, backed up by 2 or more hellhounds, other tanks et al, and over a hundred other basic grunts that sit in cover and pound out the death. They're called "shooty imperial guard armies from hell" for a reason! they've got the most raw firepower of anyone in the game.

Necrons. keep 'em moving forward in an unstoppable wave with several dozen warriors. you can shoot them down, but they just get right back up again and keep on coming.

Tau. Long ranged army by nature. Though it works better as a short to medium range force for some reason, as it lacks loads of long range heavy guns. But with the likes of several fire warrior squads controlling the approach lanes to your squads, and with vicious short range troops like Kroot and Crisis suits, you can happily shoot your big guns at longe range, and force the other guy to come get you, and you obliterate them on the way in. (its called kau'yon tactics, btw)

Tyranids and the new Orks. Not really defensive, but they have the numbers to soak up anything anyone else throws at them and keep on going. And they're pretty vicious as well while they're at it!

Eldar. Eldar are both defensive, and offensive. While most eldar are fairly squishy, you can build rock solid iyanden lists with loads of wraithguard and wraithlords stomping around the place. And it takes a hell of a lot to bring them buggers down! Dark Eldar are just brutally ruthless. i love 'em but i dont think they're what you want.

Inquisition - daemonhunters and witchhunters. the second are a very hard short range army. easily playable with a defensive stlye, if you focus on sisters squads, and a few exorcists backing them up.

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Old 18 Sep 2007, 19:52   #8 (permalink)
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Even dark Eldar (An army designed to move) can be built into a defensive army.
Though most of their units are offensive armies, in lower level games, you can field an entire army that is geared for shooting, 3 ravagers (Gun boats essentially) and dark lance squads can lay siege to the enemy from across the board.
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Old 20 Sep 2007, 13:15   #9 (permalink)
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Im at the moment building a defence based SM army, i have a few counter charge troops and at the moment my marine count is around 77ish, and i think that is a fairly large amount of marines.

IG can also be very defence/gun line based aswell, and thinking about it nearly any army can be made to act on the defence, so choose one that you like the look of.
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Old 20 Sep 2007, 14:11   #10 (permalink)
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By nature, lists can be made for defense. If you're not going to be doing much else other than friendly games, then go Guard. The sheer amount of firepower that you can crank out is amazing.

Tau, on the other hand, are amazing in Cityfights. If you go heavy on the suits, you will have several mobile fire bases from which to harass your opponents into a better firing line.
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