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Is it possible to have 2 force organisation charts in a 2000pt game??
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 10:41   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is it possible to have 2 force organisation charts in a 2000pt game??

Might sound like a stupid question, but i cant find anything about the subject, any help??
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 11:12   #2 (permalink)
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Check the rulebook. The section where the FOC is explained contains the rule you look for. I do not have my rulebook at hand, so I cannot be more specific.

But according to this rule a second FOC is used at 2500 pts and more IIRC.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 11:14   #3 (permalink)
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officially, no. you can have a new FOC every 500pts if you want, but its not a very nice thing to do.

2000pts and 2 FOCs is me playing with 6 hammerheads. or 18 obliterators and 8 devestator squads, for instance.... it gets over the top very quickly.

the game is balanced for one FOC up to roughly 2000pts. so really, thats all you should use.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 17:01   #4 (permalink)
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Generally, you can use more than 2 FOC's when you're over 2500 points. If you're using two FOC's when you're only at 2000 points, then that means one of your sections (Heavy Support, Fast Attack, etc.) is already filled up to the max. Its possible, but is generally frowned upon.

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Old 25 Jul 2007, 17:10   #5 (permalink)
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Contrary to popular belief, there is no point value where you start to use a second FOC. The rulebook says that the FOC becomes a limiting factor over 2000 points. It never says to start a new one once you start to feel limited (especially when the FOC is supposed to limit you).

The choice of how many FOC that you will use in a battle is a choice you and your opponent must make before you start a game. It's best to treat it like decided how many points your game is going to be.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 18:06   #6 (permalink)
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The BGB refers to Detachments, my theory is that you should be able to field a fluff-wise company/cadre/host in one detachement, if your fielding two companies use two detachments, three use three and so on, then they can't really complain.
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Contrary to popular belief, there is no point value where you start to use a second FOC. The rulebook says that the FOC becomes a limiting factor over 2000 points. It never says to start a new one once you start to feel limited (especially when the FOC is supposed to limit you).

The choice of how many FOC that you will use in a battle is a choice you and your opponent must make before you start a game. It's best to treat it like decided how many points your game is going to be.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 18:31   #8 (permalink)
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As yoritomo said, there is no minimum points limit for multiple FoC charts. However, it is reccomended you wait to use multiples for 2,500 and more points, as any less and some real cheesy lists could be created. If I played a 2,000 and my opponent wanted 2 FoC lists I'd probally reply with a "Heeeeell no" and suspect him of trying some sly force lists. :P
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Old 27 Jul 2007, 01:44   #9 (permalink)
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That's just it, the rulebook never suggests you play with more than one FOC. The rulebook says if you want to play an exceptionally large game than you should agree on how many FOCs you should use.

I suppose "exceptionally large" is a personal interpretation, but to me 2,000 points isn't exceptionally large. Heck, I wouldn't count 2,500 points as exceptionally large.
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Old 27 Jul 2007, 17:10   #10 (permalink)
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We should probably wait until that Apocalypse or whatever codex comes out (you know, the one that GW is making for exceptionally big games). That will probably clarify what GW intends for games that take more than one FoC or run at 2000, 2500, 3000+ points.
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