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Old 23 Jun 2006, 21:54   #1 (permalink)
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My brother has an annoying habit of deploying his Basilisk right on the edge of the table, more often than not in the corner (and who can blame him?). If I recall, the rulebook says any vehicle tank shocked by another with a higher front armour value is forced to move out of it's way. If I tank shocked the Basilisk with such a vehicle and it had nowhere to move except off the table, would it be destroyed?

When I first considered this I thought it'd be petty rules-lawyering...but then I considered the fact that if my Terminators or assault troops scatter off-table, they are automatically destroyed. It seems unfair to me that this should be so when they only miss the table by a couple inches, so why should his Basilisk be immune to off-table syndrome?

And what if I caught it in the corner with my Land Raider? The Land Raider is too big to allow a Basilisk to squeeze out of the way either side, so would it be pushed off-table in that instance too?
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i would say, but i have nothing to support this position. it would make sense that the basilisk, like all other units, would be destroyed when it left the table. of course the chances of this situation arising are slim, but still.
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Old 23 Jun 2006, 23:10   #3 (permalink)
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I don't know about that...my army is heavily mechanised but most of my vehicles lack AT firepower (or at least, any potent AT firepower). The opportunity has never arisen before, but only because I've never actively pursued it with my empty transports. Might be worth a shot...just to see the look on his face when an errant Rhino takes out his Basilisk. >
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basilisks have higher front armour than rhinos mate. the only transport that can push bassies are raiders.
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Ahh...bum, you're right. My Predator or Vindicator will be able to do it...but those things might as well shoot it! Well, it might be handy to remember if I find myself within tank shock range with one of those vehicles (or my Land Raider)...shooting at it is no guarantee, whereas tank shocking it is another matter altogether (provided it has nowhere else to turn)! Plus there's the whole "Did you just tank shock my Basilisk off the table?" factor.
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Under the tank shock rules I don't see anything stating that the vehicle has to be pushed off the map. I believe it can be argued that it could end up to the side of the tank shocking vehicle or in extreme cases even behind it. Sure it makes no sense, but all the rule states is that vehicles and units are displaced by the shortest amount necessary while retaining coherency. If a unit is against eh edge of the board, I can see the argument made that the shortest distance necessary puts it behind the tank shocking vehicle.
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Under the tank shock rules I don't see anything stating that the vehicle has to be pushed off the map. I believe it can be argued that it could end up to the side of the tank shocking vehicle or in extreme cases even behind it. Sure it makes no sense, but all the rule states is that vehicles and units are displaced by the shortest amount necessary while retaining coherency. If a unit is against eh edge of the board, I can see the argument made that the shortest distance necessary puts it behind the tank shocking vehicle.
The rules also say nothing about you being able to not move off the edge of the map if that is the shortest path. It only allows you to ignore the shortest path for coherency.
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You can lose a 600pt Terminator Command Squad with Librarian from a bad scatter in Deep Strike...and while this is an attendant risk to an otherwise powerful ability, I don't think it's fair that someone can argue that the value of their vehicle is an excuse to give it a chance to survive when other things would not have that advantage. For the sake of fairness, I'd say that it's destroyed...much as they implemented the rule where light vehicles in a group share hits like units since they didn't pay extra to avoid the same problems of powerful infantry.
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The rules say it's 'moved out of the way by the shortest distance' certainly, but they don't say you can just drive through impassable terrain (or the other vehicle) to get there. Any other time you need to move, such things act as restricitons. For example, when a unit that is trying to fall back gets cornered it is automatically destroyed...they can't just clamber up and over a ten foot wall or scamper off the table briefly to get around the enemy unit, so why should a trapped vehicle be allowed to do this?
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The rules say it's 'moved out of the way by the shortest distance'
and the shortest distance would be off tha table. since its off the table it's destroyed like anything else that leaves the table.
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