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Old 13 May 2006, 04:15   #1 (permalink)
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My club the other night was wondering if smaoke launchers if unused count as a weapon for the purposes of weapon destroyed on the glancing/penetration table?
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Old 13 May 2006, 04:37   #2 (permalink)
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My gaming groups don't count them. We treat them as purely a vehicle upgrade. Works ruleswise, and has the added benefit of not allowing them to be unreasonably cheap 'ablative armour' for weapons.
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Yes there is a difference between vehicle weapons and vehicle upgrades/wargear. The same goes for seeker missils on a Tau vehicle. They count as upgrades purchased for the vehicle and not weapons. The same goes for smoke launchers. They arent a vehicle weapon so dont count.
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What about pintle mouted stype weapons though?

They are weapons... that are under upgrades
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Pintle mounted weapons / hunter-killer missiles do count because "they are treated as an additional defensive / main weapon".
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So then why don't seeker missiles?
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ive always counted pintle mounted weapons as being eligable. but what opponent would ever choose a pintle weapon or smoke launcher as a weapon to destroy. with the exception of the rhino all vehicles come with a decent weapons layout, meaning the chances of taking off all weapons is rather unlikely.
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So then why don't seeker missiles?
Because seeker missils arent an additional weapon. They dont fire with the Tanks BS. One good factor to use is does the weapon use the tanks BS to fire, if so then it is a vehicle weapon and can be destroyed. Smokes just pop and seekers are fired externally and are just being carried by the tank not fired by it. The only exception to that is the skyray but even then I think you cant destroy the seekers.
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Also, the Smokes and Hunter Seekers are one-shot weapons, whereas pintle mounted weapons are not.
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Its common sence at the end of the day, the weapon destroyed results state that a weapon can be destroyed, are smoke launchers weapons? No. Is a storm bolter a weapon? Yes.
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