[omegatron]

Basically I have one answer for this using my CSM. Though my list is efficient against the NB, it's not performing the way I intended it to be.

I would like to know how do you plan to have an advantage using any CSM build facing :
(1) 10man nobz bikers + orks + Warbozz in a 1K points game and
(2) 2 10man nobz bikers + orks + Warbozz in a 2K points game

I will not comment against any list that will be suggested but I would like to have a list that was proven in actual gameplay (even if its a variant) against Nobz Bikerz, Vassal doesn't count.

[Grindgobble Witherfume]

Vindicator instant kills 'em. A couple of DP with MoT and Warptime will cause a lot of wounds before the bikers can strike as well, the MoT will help protect them from claws. Two units are more trouble then one. The things I just mentioned are the best way to kill 'em. Lashing them around could help too. Two lash princes with vindicators and oblitorators will be nice.

I've used my pair of princes on Nob biker units as mentioned above. I don't have any vindicators or oblitorators, but I am sure those'll help. The two princes can do quite a bit of damage on the charge, especially with re-rolls to wound and hit.

[Choco]

Boyz can be killed by normal 10 man Chaos Space Marines squads or even better Plague Marines or Khorne Berzerkers. A blastmaster and sonic blasters from Noise Marines can also blow them up nicely too.
And a Vindicator or two can blast apart Nob Bikers. Maybe Oblits and lash princes would work nicely. Push them away from your troops and close toghether so they can get as wounded as much as possible.

[Jeff]

Berserkers... nuff said.

[Cadaver]

I found Defilers to work far better than Vindicators. Since they will be turbo boosting you are mostly likely getting one chance to shoot them before they hit combat. If you take a vindicator you have one shot and then it will either be killed by bikers or left with little to shoot at for a turn or two. Defilers however, can shoot a large blast template as well but are probably an even bigger threat to Nob Bikers in CC. You will be hitting first and insta-killing them. Dreadnoughts armed with x2 CCWs can work to similar effect.

I honestly think it's best not to focus so much shooting them down before they hit combat but bring units that can out perform, and more importantly, insta-kill them in CC. Luckily for Chaos players you could run quite a few units that do this. 3 CC defilers and 3 CC dreads and 2 DPs with Warptime or Gift of Chaos and you have a a ton of units that will really hit hard against Nob Bikers.

[omegatron]

thanks for the replies.

any other real-life-on-the-table advise against a 20man Ork Bikerz Nobz ?

[danton tyr]

I don't have an experience of a 20 man Nob Bike squad, but I do have one where I destroyed 2 10 man squads.
I used about 7 Plague Marines and ran through them... although I was lucky enough to be the one charging and had a power fist Champion lol. If I was to reccomend anything it would be 2 Deamon Princes with warptime, they are near unstoppable. Hope I helped .

Malatox, Disciple of Decay

[omegatron]

Originally Posted by Malatox

I don't have an experience of a 20 man Nob Bike squad, but I do have one where I destroyed 2 10 man squads.
I used about 7 Plague Marines and ran through them... although I was lucky enough to be the one charging and had a power fist Champion lol. If I was to reccomend anything it would be 2 Deamon Princes with warptime, they are near unstoppable. Hope I helped .

Malatox, Disciple of Decay

Thanks for the feedback. That's what i meant 2x 10 Nobz bikers.

[danton tyr]

Oh, right! hehe... sorry i didnt read it all. i really should do that.

Malatox, Disciple of Decay

[omegatron]

I hate to start another thread so I'll segueue with this thread ...

What's the baddest, meanest list you could field in a 1K point games using CSM with NO RESTRICTIONS except FOC. Assume of course to be against the same QUALITY list from other races as well.