[chaosFreak]

I was thinking of the different possible situations for dakka preds (autocannon with heavy bolter sponsons), and it occured to me that if I decide to take one, there will invariably be a time when the autocannon pops a transport.

In this situation, would the pred be able to use the heavy bolters to shoot at the units that had been inside the transport?

[Grindgobble Witherfume]

Originally Posted by chaosFreak

In this situation, would the pred be able to use the heavy bolters to shoot at the units that had been inside the transport?

No.

To elaborate, the transport and the squad are separate targets, thus unless you have a rule that lets you target multiple units (Potms or super heavies, tau gizmos) you cannot. Thus if the transport pops, your total attention is locked on the transport.

But, an interesting aside. IIRC, if a unit blows up a transport, the same unit can charge the disembarked squad.

[chaosFreak]

IIRC, if a unit blows up a transport, the same unit can charge the disembarked squad.

I'm not entirely sure what IIRC means, and maybe it answers my question, but that seems to be pretty counter-intuitive. I can't imagine why you would be able to shoot and one target and then charge another, but not shoot and two different units.

Is this possibly because in the shooting phase, all the bullets are supposed to be shooting at once? I don't know, it just seems strange to me.

[Jeff]

All of a units shooting is done at once.

Just as a corcerer cannot lash a unit within rapid fire of a unit he has joined and have the unit fire at the lashed opponent.

You can shoot a transport and blow it up, and then assault the guys.

[Gabriel_]

You are able to shoot at a transport and then charge the unit inside because at the moment you are shooting the two targets are essentially the same thing. The unit and transport are in the same location and function as a single target. It also puts emphasis on the unit's knowledge that the transport contains some type of enemy unit. A unit that can only be charged by the destruction of their vehicle.

[razgriz_cipher]

No you could not do that. However if you have a similar trick with space marines with meltaguns and then using the rhino to shoot them. Or you could put a combi-melta on a rhino to pop a transport then bolt pistol and assault the guys inside.

Also the heavy bolters can still kill ork trukks and dark eldar raiders.

[limpchickeninabizkit]

Or even lightly pepper Rhinos and the like. But honestly, you should use a vehicle used for tnak busting then use the Predator for elimination. Try and tank hunt with it as a last resort.

[HijiriOni]

4th edition allowed you to shoot units inside a transport if main guns popped it based on the assumption that units armed with inferrior weapons wouldnt waste the bullets. New rules of 5th all weapons fire at the same target regardless of whether or not the weapon could actually phase the target. Also if you read the penetration/glance results you roll "all" of them at the same time so even if you get 3 glancing hits and 4 penetrating hits and the first Pen comes out as vehicle destroyed you still roll out the remaining 3 pens and 3 glances, after the first pen it really won't matter but if you rolled 3 consecutive 6s for pens the vehicle would explode 3 times.

Weird rule but a rule nazi in my league pointed it out to me, when it was my drop pod being exploded by his dudes...it exploded twice and managed to cover 15 guys with the dual-booms. No idea why he'd point this out if it was in my favor if it wasn't true.

[Max Smirnov]

Originally Posted by HijiriOni

lso if you read the penetration/glance results you roll "all" of them at the same time so even if you get 3 glancing hits and 4 penetrating hits and the first Pen comes out as vehicle destroyed you still roll out the remaining 3 pens and 3 glances, after the first pen it really won't matter but if you rolled 3 consecutive 6s for pens the vehicle would explode 3 times.

Weird rule but a rule nazi in my league pointed it out to me, when it was my drop pod being exploded by his dudes...it exploded twice and managed to cover 15 guys with the dual-booms. No idea why he'd point this out if it was in my favor if it wasn't true.

Well you *can * interpret the rules this way... If you're a little green man. This is pure madness. I am sure it is not something the GW staff has intended.

[HijiriOni]

Intention or not he showed me the rule and it does indeed say "Roll out all results simultaneusly applying each result"

Goes back to more reasons GW is currently upseting me with the rules...generally speaking rather then fixing the old rules to work better they add more rules with more holes in them, or add new armys that make other varients of that army look bad.