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Old 13 Oct 2008, 06:07   #1 (permalink)
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Default How does Chaos fight Chaos?

What is the best way to beat/fight other Chaos Forces? The reason I ask is that it looks like over 50% of the players in a 40 man tournament were CSM. Dedicated god armies where represented in and mixed god forces as well. Just trying to become more effective in the meta game for future tournaments.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 06:27   #2 (permalink)
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The same way you would fight any army: Exploit their weakness while focusing on your strengths.

Against 10K sons: Assault and focus on their lack of mobility. Reduce the shots they can make against you.
World Eaters: Just shoot them, don't get in combat. Just pretend that you are tau
Death Guard: Knock them down with constant fire, don't let them control what you do.
Emp. Children: Either move in close or stay back and shoot. They tend to be a midrange army.

In the end you want to find a weakness and turn their mistakes into your strengths.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 12:38   #3 (permalink)
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Pretty much like you take on Space Marines. I mean we all know the dangers each of the units present, they each kind of magnify an aspect of being a Space Marine so, as Sinsparagon says, you don't want to let them play to that strength.

The only thing that should radically alter your strategy is if you're up against Lashes of Submission in a list with ap3- templates. In this case that Lash mother****er becomes priority number one. We have no possible protection against it, and in combination with ap3 it is made to decimate MEQ.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 17:03   #4 (permalink)
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The same way you would fight any army: Exploit their weakness while focusing on your strengths.

Against 10K sons: Assault and focus on their lack of mobility. Reduce the shots they can make against you.
World Eaters: Just shoot them, don't get in combat. Just pretend that you are tau
Death Guard: Knock them down with constant fire, don't let them control what you do.
Emp. Children: Either move in close or stay back and shoot. They tend to be a midrange army.

In the end you want to find a weakness and turn their mistakes into your strengths.
Sinsparagon hit the nail on the head. The specialist troops each have a particular advantage, hit them there that advantage is meaningless.

The hardest uni to counter IMO is the plague marines. 1000sons you can beat in melee, world eaters you cna beat in shooting, but Nurgle is ok with both. As a nurgle player I always say, "If they try to assault me, I shoot them. I they try to shoot me I assault them." Of course S8 and power weapons do the trick nicely, so I hope you're packing.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 22:06   #5 (permalink)
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If you know you're fighting other CSM's, AP3 is the way to go. I would definitely get at least one squad (if not two) of 1k Sons to get some tough as nails shooting (no FNP for plague marines!) and Defilers can throw around some nasty blast templates with impudence. Keep some standard Marines behind to counter charge and protect your 1k Sons from combat (any other cult troop can really do the trick, noise marines have the extra initiative. Khorne can't shoot, Plague Marines are slower, standard Marines aren't bad either).

Denying the enemy their armor save is a big part of a Marine vs. Marine game, since that 3+ save is imperative. You negate that and you'll have a leg up on the competition.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 23:46   #6 (permalink)
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If you know you're fighting other CSM's, AP3 is the way to go. I would definitely get at least one squad (if not two) of 1k Sons to get some tough as nails shooting (no FNP for plague marines!)
PMs do get FNP if they are hit by AP3. Only AP 1 and 2 weapons bypass FNP.
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Old 14 Oct 2008, 00:01   #7 (permalink)
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I thought that to be able to take FNP you had to be able to take your armor save... no armor save, no feel no pain... ah well, I could be wrong. I won't drag this thread off topic discussing it.
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Old 14 Oct 2008, 01:42   #8 (permalink)
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depends entirely on the types of chaos army fighting, obviously assaulty armies you will want to stay away from and shoot, but my question here is, what would it be like if two hardcore world eaters players fought it out, now thats a match I'd like to see .
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Old 14 Oct 2008, 03:31   #9 (permalink)
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Final round in the tournament I was just in was Nurgle Vs Nurgle: We each had duel Nurgle Daemon Princes, Two obliterators, and 21 PM each. The match was a bloody mess and in the end there was no DP and just a small handful of models. Truely a bloody match.
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Old 15 Oct 2008, 00:48   #10 (permalink)
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yes but seriously imagine two hardcore world eaters players trying to out yell each other
"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"
"SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!"

that would be a very interesting and bloody match indeed >
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