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Is Tzeench (CSM) a Tournament Competitive Force?
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Old 15 Jun 2008, 14:26   #1 (permalink)
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As stated are they still viable as a tournament competitive army? My have a friend whos thinking of starting but, he wants to run Thousand Sons and still be competitive.
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Old 15 Jun 2008, 17:01   #2 (permalink)
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Heya,

Does your friend have a copy of Codex: Chaos Space Marines? If not, then he should ideally have a copy before he purchases any models.

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As stated are they still viable as a tournament competitive army? My have a friend whos thinking of starting but, he wants to run Thousand Sons and still be competitive.
So, your friend wants to run a Thousand Sons heavy force, correct? If so, then the Thousand Sons are a competitive unit, whilst not as popular as Plague Marines, you can still make a pretty nasty army out of them. You have to weigh up the advantages and disadvantages the Thousand Sons have, for example Thousand Sons squads are highly effective at killing any other enemy unit that has a 3+ armour save (i.e. Loyalist Space Marines.) However, because the Thousands Sons are so good at killing Heavy Infantry, against Light Infantry (i.e. Imperial Guardsmen, Ork Boyz) they are as much use as regular Chaos Space Marines, as the AP3 makes no difference to an Ork!

The Thousand Sons also have the "Slow & Purposeful" special rule, which works as both an advantage and a disadvantage. The good aspect about Slow & Purposeful is that no matter how far you move, you can still fire your Bolters at maximum range as the Rapid Fire rule doesn't apply to Slow & Purposeful units, (but you can Rapid Fire if you want.) However the bad aspect to Slow & Purposeful is that a squad of Thousand Sons is slow, and vulnerable to enemy assault units. You can remedy this disadvantage by giving a Thousand Sons squad a Rhino, but it's all down to personal preference and whether they will be of any genuine use to you.

I would recommend that your friend reads the following Important Topics:

Index Malleus: Champions of Chaos - Part II - Chaos Sorcerer's

Dath Path : Tzeentch Forces Overview

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Old 15 Jun 2008, 18:14   #3 (permalink)
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Anton, once again, should karma himself... :P

Anyways, he basically summed up a lot of it. The thing with Tzeentch is that they will fair well against any "elite" army (Marines and sorts) and will do okay against primarily shooty armies (Tau). However, horde armies tend to be a little harder to defeat with 1k Sons. Nids and Orks (being based on assault) are very powerful against 1k Sons and IG have so many models that trying to kill them all is nearly impossible... but not actually impossible. It is not easy to get good against horde armies, but with some practice and experience it should be easily doable.

The best thing is the slow and purposeful rule Anton touched on. This means you can constantly shoot and back up at the same time. This allows you to keep putting distance between you and the enemy. Another idea is to "screen" your units with things like Chaos Spawn or combat aligned Chosen... guys with enough combat potential to help keep your Rubric Marines safe. Summoned demons may work out on a big squad with an icon, as you can summon them once you need the support in close combat.
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Old 15 Jun 2008, 23:15   #4 (permalink)
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Yes it may seem so but tzeench needs antitank. Raptors or bikers could make a counter charge force to tie up enemy assaulters in close combat. Also you can deploy them last so that you have them were they can intercept the enemy.
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Old 15 Jun 2008, 23:38   #5 (permalink)
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I find Tzeentch fine against tanks. Bolt of Tzeentch is a great anti-tank power, and they have access to as many tanks/havocs/obliterators as the next Legion.
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Old 16 Jun 2008, 02:43   #6 (permalink)
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And lest we forget the ever-popular Wind of Chaos; Great at decimating almost any model on foot AND glancing-hit even Land Raiders 50% of the time...
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