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Old 18 Apr 2008, 22:33   #1 (permalink)
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Default Non-chaosy chaos marines.

Hiya!

Right, so, it's roumoured that the next edition starter set is going to be Space Marines vs. Orks. Now, I have a friend who really likes orks, and I figure we have to get a hold of that rulebook somehow. So I thought I'd dust of an old idea I've had for a while and make myself some very un-reverent space marines.

The thing is, I don't want to make Loyalist space marines, what with all the religeous fevour and discipline and the likes, and for the very same reason I don't want them to really be chaos worshipers. "Renegades" describes it nicely. Basically a Space Marine Chapter who got kicked out or simply left because they just had to lax discipline and lacked in the r-e-s-p-e-c-t. A space marine chapter made out of marines who could scream "Up yours" and mean it.

So, I've gotten the Chaos codex, and narrowed down the options I can see myself getting. Basically what we're looking at is a force made entirely out of;

HQ:
Lord
Sorceror

ELITES:
Chosen
Terminators
Dreadnought

TROOPS:
Space Marines

FAST ATTACK:
Bikers
Raptors

HEAVY SUPPORT;
Havocs
Predator
Vindicator
Land Raider

Everything would be un-marked and have no chaos-y upgrades or stuff like that. And since I'm using the Marines out of the box what we're looking at, if rumour is to be belived, is at least one Lord, a group of termies, some Chaos marines and a dread. For starters.

Now, could the non-chaosy chaos marine army work? Or is the backbone of the chaos list... well, chaos? It wouldn't be all that surprising if it was.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 23:09   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Non-chaosy chaos marines.

You might be able to create a unique chapter of "loyalist" marines that are non-codex and use the SM codex in the box.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 23:11   #3 (permalink)
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Gabriel, I don't quite get what you're trying to say? Do you want to create a Renegade Chapter using Codex Chaos Space Marines? Or Codex Space Marines? If the latter is correct then this may be better suited in the Space Marines board.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 23:27   #4 (permalink)
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Fluff wise Alpha Legion is very similar to Loyalist Marines while still being Chaos. Good place to start your army at.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 23:34   #5 (permalink)
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Fluff wise Alpha Legion is very similar to Loyalist Marines while still being Chaos. Good place to start your army at.
Some argue that the Alpha Legion is actually only heretical, not specifically tainted, but that's not important. What is important is that you can use regular Space Marines rules or Chaos Space Marines rules (I recommend the Mark of Tzeench if you go with Chaos)... especially at a low-points army, you can have fun painting and also not overly commit until you find your preferred play style.
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Old 19 Apr 2008, 09:21   #6 (permalink)
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Gabriel, I don't quite get what you're trying to say? Do you want to create a Renegade Chapter using Codex Chaos Space Marines? Or Codex Space Marines? If the latter is correct then this may be better suited in the Space Marines board.
"Renegades" using the Chaos codex, I think. I've had the SM codex for some time, but the Trait system utterly fails to wash off the goodie-goodie two-shoes-smell. ATSKNF and the likes sorta spoiled it, no matter how much I gave them True Grit and Conter-attack and stuff like that.

Chaos suited my tastes much better, I think. Sure, they're LD 9/10, but when they run for it they don't give a shit about honour or making glorious last stands, they're just looking out for number one. And I love the fact that they come armed with Bolt pistols, bolters, CC-weapon and a buncha grenades. Very flavourful. Specialisation is fot wusses.

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Fluff wise Alpha Legion is very similar to Loyalist Marines while still being Chaos. Good place to start your army at.
Some argue that the Alpha Legion is actually only heretical, not specifically tainted, but that's not important. What is important is that you can use regular Space Marines rules or Chaos Space Marines rules (I recommend the Mark of Tzeench if you go with Chaos)... especially at a low-points army, you can have fun painting and also not overly commit until you find your preferred play style.
Yeah, my plan was to do something like that and not over-commit until I've tried both options, although I'd prefer to make a chaos-based army. Which is one reason why I started this thread, to see if it was viewed as viable to make non-chaosy renegade marines with the Chaos codex.
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Old 20 Apr 2008, 02:49   #7 (permalink)
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Yo.

Get your hands on a Soul Drinkers book. The first one is pretty good, the 2nd and 3rd progressivly suck. But read them at your leisure, there's an Omnibus for sale. The Soul Drinkers are exactly what you're describing and might give you ideas for your own Renegade chapter.

I'd probably use Librarian models as Sorcerors, seeing as how they just turned from the light of the emperor. You could probably even get away with subbing a Venerable Dread in for a Daemon Prince, that may be cool.

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Old 20 Apr 2008, 09:54   #8 (permalink)
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It seems we might have another Puritan Night Lord amongst us...
The Puritan Night Lords are those that fought against the Emperor to repay his betrayal of them, and disdain the use of Chaos, although some use it as a tool.
Some of use still use Icons, although "counts-as"ed to be Veteran skills, or just as a temporary bargain. Just don't fall into the pit-fall of "Night Lords must have many Raptors!!!"
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Old 20 Apr 2008, 22:20   #9 (permalink)
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Yo.

Get your hands on a Soul Drinkers book. The first one is pretty good, the 2nd and 3rd progressivly suck. But read them at your leisure, there's an Omnibus for sale. The Soul Drinkers are exactly what you're describing and might give you ideas for your own Renegade chapter.
I'll do that. I need me a new book to read on the long way to work anyhow.

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I'd probably use Librarian models as Sorcerors, seeing as how they just turned from the light of the emperor. You could probably even get away with subbing a Venerable Dread in for a Daemon Prince, that may be cool.
I was going to make myself a Librarian that looked rather like the imperial ones, and not so much sorceror per se. Although I do figure that I have an opening to sneak in a little chaos in the army via the Librarian. Not much, because I don't want him to really be corrupted, but maybe just enough to make him differ from his purist imperial counterparts. Like, maybe give him the Gift of Chaos-power? It probably wouldn't pass for an acceptable psychic power by imperial standards, but turning your enemy into a spawn that you control? Usefull!

I might, migh, miiiight even consider him, and only him, to have the mark of tzeench. Maybe. Y'know, making him a Xanthist-type inquisitor who tap-dances on a dangerous edge.

Dreads have acctually been a small inconvenience for me in my planning. If the rumours about the starter set prove to be true, I'm looking at having two of them and ten terminators (since me and my orky-liking friend plan on getting one each and swap models), which means I won't have any Elite slots left, which is a downer. Apart form that, I have a hard time getting the "Crazed" special rule to fit my fluff. The best I've come up with is that they, being veterans, don't fully approve of the chapter leaving the empire. But, well, as fluff goes that's pretty weak.

So, yeah, if I don't get it to work I might look into playing them as greater deamons or deamonprinces or something, if I really want elite slots and/or can't think up good fluff for the Crazed rule.

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It seems we might have another Puritan Night Lord amongst us...
The Puritan Night Lords are those that fought against the Emperor to repay his betrayal of them, and disdain the use of Chaos, although some use it as a tool.
Some of use still use Icons, although "counts-as"ed to be Veteran skills, or just as a temporary bargain. Just don't fall into the pit-fall of "Night Lords must have many Raptors!!!"
I always liked the Night Lord fluff and rules. The old legion-specific rules with the Actute Senses and whatnot were a nice touch, and I always felt that the 40k universe needed more terror tactics. (although I never really got the bit about the raptors. How is a pair of jet engines sneaky?) Sadly, though, the models or the colours never really suited my tastes.

For models I figure I'll try to convert them to be sort of a mix between Loyalist Space Marines(with them being the base models and all), the Terran Marines from Starcraft(for attitude. Y'know, graffiti on their armour saying "Your ass" with an arrow towards their boot and stuff like that) and the Brotherhood of Steel from the first Fallout game, when they had those blue ciofs on their unhelmeted heads.

So... yeah... maybe something puritan nightlord-ish but with diffrent fluff and models.
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Old 21 Apr 2008, 01:23   #10 (permalink)
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As for the Librarian, sounds very cool. Tzeentch works well because the original Thousand Sons Legion were big sorcerers, but were labeled traitors for it. Only then did they turn to Tzeentch, so it could be very plausible that the Librarian got a little overzealous in his magical stuff, inadvertently finding Tzeentch. Plus, Gift of Chaos is about the coolest spell ever (rivaled by the Ork Shaman character that can turn IC into attack squigs. SO FREAKING COOL!!!!)

As for Dreads, I'm sure they would make great Spawn if you needed the extra Elite slots. without their devotion to the Emperor, or the sacred rites usually administered onto them they could just degenerate until they had only an animalistic survival instinct... Wrapped in a gigantic armored shell! Just idea. Could be damage caused by the Librarian's lust for power (experiments...?) Chaos dreadnoughts aren't too great anyways.

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