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Old 17 Apr 2008, 22:35   #1 (permalink)
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Alrighty lads, here's my question...

I have lurked the forums for a long time and am still having troubles deciding on what legion I want my new Chaos force to hail from. The two strongest candidates are Word Bearers World Eaters and Death Guard (I absolutely adore the Thousand Sons but they aren't my play style and far too expensive, I'll probably make my sorcerer a disciple of the Thousand Sons....)

For Word Bearers World Eaters:
- Cheap, nice models
- From what I can see, rather boring play style (someone prove me wrong!!!!!!)
- Fluff wise the berserker-ness is cool but the lack of thinking strategy is a bit of a turn off...
- Anti-fluff when using a sorcerer.

For Death Guard:
- Expensive models
- I like the fluff a little more than that of Khorne
- very different play style than that of my Black Templars, Tyranids, or Tau. Seems more interesting.

________

Now, I'm not simply asking which is better, merely trying to decide which one to play. So make an argument. Try to "sell" me your army and point out the good points about it and the bad point about the other. Give em good stories, fun tactics, conversions, ideas, anything to tip the balance in my head so I can stop window shopping all the Chaos models and start making a warhost!

Thank ye.
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Old 17 Apr 2008, 22:40   #2 (permalink)
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You mean World Eaters and not Word Bearers, right? World Eaters are dedicated to Khorne and have all the berzerkers.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 00:02   #3 (permalink)
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Yep, I mean World Eaters. I wouldn't play them ALL berserkers, though... there would be some basic infantry, I just know the new forgeworld models look great, as do the new khorne demons and the cheap berserkers are appealing rather than the expensive plague marines.

Alpha Legion is another possibility, though they are a little too much "not Chaos" to fit my bill, I already have a loyalist army.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 00:13   #4 (permalink)
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You mean World Eaters right? Because the World Eaters are not just mindless berzerkes charging at the enemy. They can be fairly lucid outside of close combat.


Many of your pestilent Nurglings are wondering what legion to play. Then it hitís you. You want to play Death Guard! Good oleí Mortarionís boys. But why exactly play Death Guard?

Simple, youíre dead. Who doesnít love zombies? Who doesnít love zombie super-soldiers in power armor who are practically impossible to kill? Thatís what the Death Guard are and more.

The Death Guard have a massive amount of fluff stretching back to the Heresy and beyond. They are one of the founding legions so you should get some respect from the young renegades.

Furthermore you have no need of the fancy sonic blasters that the Emperorís Children have or the swanky guns that the Iron Warriors have. You are a footslogger and proud of it! If it worked for Mortarion ten thousand years ago it can work for you!

If course you do not need to be restricted to the pure infantry approach, after all the Death Guard had some bikes and jump troopers. Turboboosting Nurgle Bikers will make the shootiest Tau or Guard player cry and hide in the corner.

And even if you are defeated just grin and bear it. After all you are Nurgle followers and you will simply accept what it is. Eventually your implacable hordes of plague-bearing zombie super-soldiers will weather the storm of fire directed against you and triumph over the foe.

So eventually you will follow the long and difficult path of Death Guard commander, maybe allying with a few other Nurgle-worshiping Space Marines along the way. I hear the Cleaved are looking for allies these days.

And then when you get to the Plague planet you can be at the rotting feet of Mortarion himself, bearing the stinking load of dead corpses to tribute to Nurgle. Wow, I think I need to puke at that image.




So now many of you guys are out of anger management and wondering which of the legions to play. Then you realize there is only one possible choice for you to take. The World Eaters.

So why play World Eaters? Simple, they are badass incarnate. They kill anything in close combat, well almost anything, charging a Carnifex with some berzerkers arenít too smart but going at some gaunts with some enraged genetically engineered killing machines is always fun.

You are one of the original legions of the Great Crusade; you have awesome and tragic fluff behind you. If you like Gladiator then this is for your. Angron was one of the most badass primarchs out there.

The World Eaters were considered terror troops in the Heresy; unlike the Night Lords it was completely unintended. Everyone was scared of having them and their entire planetary population massacred.

Angron was a beast in combat, read any of the Heresy novels and you will understand what I am talking about. Jumping from a thunderhawk in midair to kill his own marines is pure unadulterated badass.

And guess who was the first legion to breach the Emperorís palace? The World Eaters. They took out the fortification of the Imperial Fists almost single-handedly and butchered all the way short of the Emperorís throne room before Horus got himself killed.

Now on another note Kharn, you should play World Eaters just because of this guy. Heís like the chaos version of commissar, only infinitely more badass. In fact he is probably the most badass World Eater after Angron himself.

As World Eaters you are so good in close combat that you have no need of those pansy magic that all the Thousand Sons are talking about. After all why turn your opponent into a chicken if you can bury a chainaxe into them instead?

Even being defeat is a victory for you, after all Khorne cares not where the blood flows, only that it flows.



There you go.

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Old 18 Apr 2008, 02:01   #5 (permalink)
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Gree, you put that so absolutely well that you just made my job harder... I think I have all the info down, it's just still so freaking hard to decide!!!!!

Oh, realized the typo in first post :P meant world eaters, typed word bearers, didn't work out so well.

Thanks for the input though!
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 03:37   #6 (permalink)
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Well the Alpha Legion is deffinitely very chaos but is perhaps best represented now with "The Lost and the Damned" lists.

Between the Death Guard and World Eaters well I'd say it comes down to what's most important, play style, fluff, aesthetics etc. Each is very different.

The Death Guard are tough, soaking up fire without trouble and laying down a hellstorm of their own firepower, covering plague daemons and what not as they march forward or leap out of Rhinos guns blazing. Not necessarily the fastest army and more shooty oriented than assault specialising. As for fluff the Death Guard are certainly interresting, Typhus more than Mortarion shaped the way the Death Guard are now, and his fluff is certainly intriguing, sallying forth from the Eye of Terror aboard the Terminus Est to wreak havoc and spread contagion throughout the Imperium. As for Aesthetics though the Death Guard can be fantastic and disgusting at the same time! For a good example look up Cadaver's Death Guard Blog, his work is... stunning and inspiring.

However the World Eaters are about as polarly opposite from the Death Guard as you can get. Much more assault oriented to the exclusion of almost all else, built more around hordes of Berserkers and Daemons supported by berserk war marchines rampaging across the field ignoring the guns of the enemy to crash into close combat with abandon. Fluff wise the World Eaters have just as colorful and long a history as the Death Guard, especially with the new Horus Heresy novels. Finally visually the World Eaters can be pulled off to amazing effect, blood drenched maniacs in red wearing baroque and ornate armor and brandishing blood stained chain axes.

Really the two are about as different as you can get and I think it should really come down to what's the most important to you and what fits your play style best.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 09:58   #7 (permalink)
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Alrighty lads, here's my question...

I have lurked the forums for a long time and am still having troubles deciding on what legion I want my new Chaos force to hail from. The two strongest candidates are Word Bearers World Eaters and Death Guard (I absolutely adore the Thousand Sons but they aren't my play style and far too expensive, I'll probably make my sorcerer a disciple of the Thousand Sons....)

For Word Bearers World Eaters:
- Cheap, nice models
- From what I can see, rather boring play style (someone prove me wrong!!!!!!)
- Fluff wise the berserker-ness is cool but the lack of thinking strategy is a bit of a turn off...
- Anti-fluff when using a sorcerer.

For Death Guard:
- Expensive models
- I like the fluff a little more than that of Khorne
- very different play style than that of my Black Templars, Tyranids, or Tau. Seems more interesting.

________

Now, I'm not simply asking which is better, merely trying to decide which one to play. So make an argument. Try to "sell" me your army and point out the good points about it and the bad point about the other. Give em good stories, fun tactics, conversions, ideas, anything to tip the balance in my head so I can stop window shopping all the Chaos models and start making a warhost!

Thank ye.
I'm going to try and sell the World Eaters and here's why!

You say there is a lack of thinking strategy, I say this is a misconception. Sure, Khornate play style is, in very simplistic terms, run-at-em-and-chop-em-into-small-messy-pieces-or-die-trying!

If you think that this is all there is to World Eaters that the latter part of the above adage is what is going to happen. If you simply run at your enemy, nine times out of ten you will lose. This is where strategy comes in. I'm in the process of writing a tactica on World Eaters but it might take a coupla days to finish.

So, yes, getting into combat is your main aim with Khorne, but getting there can often require the work of a tactical genius. This is what I find so rewarding about playing World Eaters.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 11:11   #8 (permalink)
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Hm, good points. Another quick question: Is playing World Eaters similar to playing an assault oriented Marine army? I would imagine so, that's just how it comes across to me but my Templars already play that way and it would be rather boring to have a similar army.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 12:12   #9 (permalink)
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i guess you could say that. I mean they are both assault heavy armies. But one being loyalist and one being traitor does make them a little different. Bezerkers are a lot stronger in CC than templars but there are more templars, also they have scouts in their sqauds so that makes it different as well.

Similar playing styles but not exactly the same.
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Old 18 Apr 2008, 14:21   #10 (permalink)
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You could just flip a coin to decide. Heads World Eaters, Tails Death Guard. ;D

No, seriously you play Templars right? They are already a assualt army. If you are looking for another assualt army go with the World Eaters, if you want change of pace then go with the Death Guard who merely operate by behing close range fire support.

Wait, here's an idea, why not do both and rationalize it as two allied warbands?
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