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Old 05 Apr 2008, 01:50   #1 (permalink)
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Basic idea is:
Renegade chapter, founded by the Bloodangels, Khorne pretended to be Sanguinius while Chapter Master was in bloodrage to bring them over. Has affinity with daemons.

Horrible, right? I bet the fluff nazi's out there are readying their dreadsocks. But let me explain first. Since I've gotten the actual army back on track, I've been revisiting the background I wrote for my Khornate army back in yr8, when I first started playing. I was going to do a rehaul of the stories I did until I ran into a major problem. The yr8 me was an idiot! I'm not even sure the basic idea behind the army is viable and in line with canon fluff. Yet I don't want to give up on that idea cause I did think it up and I feel like I owe it as much to try and make it work. So I wanted to know which parts of my background are the worse offenders when it comes to contradicting canon and which bits would be acceptable with slight tweaks.

P.S. this is one of those cases where "throw it out, start over!" would be still be considered good C&C. :P

P.P.S. I'm 19 now. Probably could be more mature, but it's definitely an improvement from yr8
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Old 05 Apr 2008, 09:59   #2 (permalink)
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Well having him pretend to be sanguinius is a long shot since he died in the heresy. There may be a way around it though in that Khorne makes a part of the chapter succumb to the blood rage so much that they can't be controlled, so they become a warband excommunicated from the Imperium who are now fighting for khorne albiet unawares. I'm not too well versed on the blood angles so I dont know how viable that is but it could be a possibility.
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Old 05 Apr 2008, 10:18   #3 (permalink)
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To be honest, I think it's pretty viable.

The only thing is, when a Blood Angel succumbs to the Black Rage he believes that he is Sanguinius on Horus' Battle Barge, surrounded by all the insane daemons and mad Chaos Space Marines, fighting his way to the Bridge. That's how the Black Rage works, so it'd be difficult for Khorne to appear in the form of Sanguinius when the Blood Angel in question believes that he is the Primarch.

The fact that Sanguinius died in the Heresy doesn't really matter, because the Emperor and the Primarchs do have a kind of holy quality and an Angel in Black Rage isn't really going to be thinking straight anyway.

But the point is it would be very easy, if the whole company fell into Black Rage or if the Chapter Master did and survived (perhaps Khorne was smiling upon him), for Khorne to suck them into his ranks with the promise of more combat and glory. More strange things have happened even in the official canon, and this is pretty much the way that the Chaos Gods get more Chaos Chapters (rather than Renegades, there is a difference) to their cause - by finding a Chapter Master and appealing to his combat prowess/search for knowledge/fear of death/love of masturbation. So if you want to take that idea then great! Just fluff it out a bit more =)

You also need a cool name for your Successor Chapter. Something at least as badass as the Flesh Tearers, I think.
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Old 05 Apr 2008, 10:56   #4 (permalink)
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i think its fine that khorne somehow lures some blood angels to worship him.
how he did it is your choice =P

also can see similarities between death company and berzerkers.
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Old 05 Apr 2008, 12:37   #5 (permalink)
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Ah, thanks for the replies everyone. I feel much better about the idea now, if not slightly embarassed at wasting everyones time for what seem to be quite a trivial problem to you guys. :-[ :P There was just something about a renegade chapter and daemons that didn't sit right in my mind. But hey, as long as that was just a self-conceived idea instead of canon it should be fine.

Jackoby: That's an intresting little fact there about the bloodrage. Maybe if instead Khorne comes in the guise of the emperor and in his mind they actually defeat Horus together or something. Then when he awakens he will think that the imperium based of this idea that the emperor is incapacitated is a lie and with the help of his new friend "the emperor" will attempt to bring enlightenment to the masses in the only way a space marine knows how.

And for the name, I was thinking of Protectors of "Quadrant name" (Mackan?) for pre-renegade which was changed to Scourge of "Quadrant name" for after turning.
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Old 05 Apr 2008, 12:47   #6 (permalink)
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Jackoby: That's an intresting little fact there about the bloodrage. Maybe if instead Khorne comes in the guise of the emperor and in his mind they actually defeat Horus together or something. Then when he awakens he will think that the imperium based of this idea that the emperor is incapacitated is a lie and with the help of his new friend "the emperor" will attempt to bring enlightenment to the masses in the only way a space marine knows how.
That's a great idea

The thing is when a Chapter turns away from the Imperium they are either Renegade or Chaos. The Alpha Legion are Renegade because they don't actually follow the Chaos Gods, but the four Cult Legions and the rest are definitely Chaos. Your chaps will be Chaotic, especially if they have daemons on their side, but they might not be aware of it. If the Chapter Master went through the Black Rage and Khorne manipulated his hallucinations such that he believed that the Emperor helped Sanguinius defeat Horus and that was how it happened then he might believe that the Bloodletters that aid him in his pursuit of justice in the form of a chainsword on those who think otherwise are actually angels of the Emperor or representations of the Primarch. So despite the fact that, to everyone else, they are Chaotic, they in fact believe that they follow the true Emperor and Primarch because of Khorne's lies. Although Khorne's not usually that deceitful, as it's based so heavily around combat I reckon you'd get away with it.

I'm not a fan of the name, because as a Blood Angels successor I'd expect something quite violent as their name - like the Flesh Tearers. I'd expect some reference either to blood or bone or flesh, or Angels. But it's all up to you - after all, it is your hobby!

And don't worry about wasting our time. We're happy to do it.
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by finding a Chapter Master and appealing to his combat prowess/search for knowledge/fear of death/love of masturbation.
Love how Slaanesh 'appeals' to that Chapter Master!
Perhaps Slaanesh places psychic computer viruses into certain websites - if a Space Marine accesses these particular sites, Slaanesh knows he is susceptible.....lol!

Stay away from porn kids, it's a Slaaneshii trick!
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