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Old 03 Jul 2007, 08:46   #1 (permalink)
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Okay, my Fallen army got OWNED in the last 3 games i played. I only won 1 game before that and all other have been draws. So i'm going back to my good old eat everything Chaos lord and his Alpha legion. I had to draw out some marines from my Fallen to make up points without destroying my list composition scores. So here it is. 1500 points of alpha legion with Harbored Fallen Angels.

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Immortal Chaos Lord Kashel
-Master Crafter Lightning claws
-Spiky Bits
-Frag Grenades
-Bionics
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
-Daemonic Rune
-Daemonic Flight
-Daemonic Aura
-Daemonic Resilience
-Daemonic Strength
-Infiltrate
-Furious Charge
231 pts
(15.4%)

Elites (14%)
Obliterator Cult 3
210 pts
(14%)
Troops (52.76%)
Harbored Fallen Squad 15
-1x Aspiring Champion
-1x Power Weapon
-1x Plasma Pistol
-2x Plasma Gun
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
278 pts
(18.5%)

Chaos Marines 8
-1x Aspiring Champion
-1x Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
-1x Spiky Bits
-1x Daemonic Strength
-5x Bolters
-2x Plasma Guns
-Infiltrate
-Tank hunters
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
210 pts
(14%)

Chaos Marines 10
-1x Aspiring Champion
-1x Power Weapon and Bolt Pistol
-5x Bolt Pistol and CC Weapon
-1x Melta gun
-Infiltrate
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
193 pts
(12.86%)

Chaos Marines 6
-1x Heavy Bolter
-1x Plasma Gun
-Infiltrate
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
111 pts
(7.4%)

Fast Attack (17.44%)
Chaos Bikers 6
-1x Aspiring Champion
-1x Spiky Bits
-1x Daemonic Strength
-1x Power Weapon
-2x Flamer
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
-Skilled Riders
262 pts
(17.44%)
1500 POINTS


C&C??
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Old 03 Jul 2007, 21:53   #2 (permalink)
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Basically, there has ben only one game where he died before making AT LEAST his points back. and even then he was only 30 points or so off it. IF infiltrate is used he can get into combat pretty much turn 1.

If infiltrate is not used, he sticks behind the behind the bikers or cover. Or if possible, out of LOS altogether.

Can i get someone to double check my points? i have three times but i need someone to make sure i didn't skip anything.
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Old 04 Jul 2007, 20:36   #3 (permalink)
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Good to see you man. Lets have a look-see shall we?

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Okay, my Fallen army got OWNED in the last 3 games i played. I only won 1 game before that and all other have been draws. So i'm going back to my good old eat everything Chaos lord and his Alpha legion. I had to draw out some marines from my Fallen to make up points without destroying my list composition scores. So here it is. 1500 points of alpha legion with Harbored Fallen Angels.
-Sveet, I can totally see the fallen working with Alpha Legion.


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Immortal Chaos Lord Kashel
-Master Crafter Lightning claws
-Spiky Bits
-Frag Grenades
-Bionics
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
-Daemonic Rune
-Daemonic Flight
-Daemonic Aura
-Daemonic Resilience
-Daemonic Strength
-Infiltrate
-Furious Charge
231 pts
(15.4%)
-My first though is that this guy is reltively slow; in scenarios without infiltration you lose 15% of your army as an easily avoided unit. On the other hand: In the new 'Dex a modified version of this lord is going to work well, and he has always worked for you, so I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. 8)

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Elites (14%)
Obliterator Cult 3
210 pts
(14%)
-Very Nica', These are a great addition to the team.

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Troops (52.76%)
Harbored Fallen Squad 15
-1x Aspiring Champion
-1x Power Weapon
-1x Plasma Pistol
-2x Plasma Gun
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
278 pts
(18.5%)
-Plasma-rich, and fluffy. Might consider infiltrate as well being fallen. Normally I'd reccomend against a plasma pistol on the AC, but here it gets marks for fluff.

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Chaos Marines 8
-1x Aspiring Champion
-1x Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
-1x Spiky Bits
-1x Daemonic Strength
-5x Bolters
-2x Plasma Guns
-Infiltrate
-Tank hunters
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
210 pts
(14%)
-Very nice, no problems here.

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Chaos Marines 10
-1x Aspiring Champion
-1x Power Weapon and Bolt Pistol
-5x Bolt Pistol and CC Weapon
-1x Melta gun
-Infiltrate
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
193 pts
(12.86%)
-Interesting, if you could sneak in an extra melta it would be perfect. You might want to switch the melta(s) to the above squad to work in synch with that powerfist champ and keep the plasma here. You might also want to drop a marine or two to get the points for this squad and the one below, and or infiltrate for the Fallen.

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Chaos Marines 6
-1x Heavy Bolter
-1x Plasma Gun
-Infiltrate
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
111 pts
(7.4%)
Nice, Simple Dakka Squad. If you can get the points I'd go Las/Plas here.

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Chaos Bikers 6
-1x Aspiring Champion
-1x Spiky Bits
-1x Daemonic Strength
-1x Power Weapon
-2x Flamer
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
-Skilled Riders
262 pts
(17.44%)
-Interesting, I rarely see the use of Flamers in Bike Squads... I'd swap the Pwep/Dstrength combo for a powerfist and call it a day. This gives you some defense against dreadnoughts, and some anti-armor in general to back those flamers.

All in all this looks decent, I'd give it a whirl. I do think that mobile armies will give you trouble, as will mechanized armies. The Oblits will help, but that puts all of your eggs in one basket. Try to do that Las/Plas combo for the win.

I hope that helps,
Ged
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Old 04 Jul 2007, 22:03   #4 (permalink)
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For the Fallen i'm going to be uing my converted Cypher model (have an original but this will get me characterful conversion marks) and wanted to keep it fluffy so the pas stays here.
However, Infitrating EVERYTHING but the bikers (Oblits will probably deep strike) will score me low on army composition and probly piss the opposing player off to no end.

The meltas idea isn't bad, however if i put the plas in the combat squad i cant get that instant kill MEQ and assault in the same turn. I'll see what i can do. As for the las/plas combo, again it will be min maxing and get me low comp scores, that a i dont have a las toting chaos marine anywhere :P

Thanks for your advice, anyone else wish to share their views?

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Old 05 Jul 2007, 12:37   #5 (permalink)
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Infiltrate is hit or miss. Don't get me wrong, I like infiltrate. Its awesome. Sometimes its the only way to go (against tau, for example). That said, you would be wasting those points for missions not using the infiltrate rules. This could prove fatal against a faster opponent, as Ged mentioned.

Consider a rhino or two? That would help you against a mechanized list, and insures at least some of your assault troops are protected. If they get blown up, no loss, as its not scoring anyway, and provides cover even in death. At least then you would have transportation in those missions which don't allow infiltration.

What really floors me is your lack of cultists/traitors. Infiltration for 1/3 the cost is awesome, but traitors/cultists get this ability for free, and are dirt cheap. Because they infiltrate I ALWAYS set them up in cover, which makes such kilk-tastic units quite resilient, especially with 20 or so. More resilient than space marines, even.

Did I mention you can give traitors anti-tank weapons?

Toss in a couple dirge casters with your rhinos and your army just got a whole lot deadlier. How has this list worked against mech tau/eldar?

Cheers!

btw: that lord could definately be toned down. Think locally, act globally. Or something.
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 05:12   #6 (permalink)
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Hey JD, great minds think alike, I use my Fallen as Alpha legion allies in my LATD, I generally think a bike torpedo lord might serve you better than the infiltrate one, infiltrates all well and good but a bikes more reliable.
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 21:12   #7 (permalink)
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I'd probably have to lord with speed rather than flight, its faster an cheaper, and he's really expensive for what he can actually do.. a couple of powerfists and he's squished, but if your keeping to fluff i suppose he'll do, i'd prefer a daemon prince, its cheaper and harder, and the bigger squads are weird, in gt's people tend to have little squads so they can have more scoring units, while still keeping to weapons, also if your infiltrating autocannons tend to work good, getting side armour and stuff, i'd try and get a teleport of somewhere if you aint already got one, just in case for the oblits
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Immortal Chaos Lord Kashel
-Master Crafter Lightning claws
-Spiky Bits
-Frag Grenades
-Bionics
-Mark of Chaos Undivided
-Daemonic Rune
-Daemonic Flight
-Daemonic Aura
-Daemonic Resilience
-Daemonic Strength
-Infiltrate
-Furious Charge
231 pts
(15.4%)
uhh the maximum points a lord can be is 210 because it says that a lord can only take up to 150 points worth of wargear which 100 points can be deamonic gifts... just to let you know...
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 21:46   #9 (permalink)
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No... cuz weapons don't count.. neither do marks.. i'm not sure about skills i can't remember.. but he's not overpoints i don't think
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ok then just ignore me..
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