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Old 02 Jul 2007, 22:39   #1 (permalink)
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My friend is starting a Chaos army and this is his 1000 point list.

HQ - Chaos Lord/ Daemon Prince

Daemon Armour
Daemonic Aura
Daemonic Essence
Total of 110 pts


Troops Choice 1

7 CSM + 1 Asp Champion CSM
1 Heavy Bolter
1 Plasma Rifle
Furious Charge
Asp Champion
Plasma Pistol
Total of 179 pts

Troops Choice 2

11 Khorne Berserkers + 1 Asp Champion KB
Furious Charge
Blood Frenzy
Total of 229 pts

Troops Choice 3

7 CSM + 1 Asp Champion CSM
Frag Grenades
1 Heavy Bolter
1 Plasma Rifle
Asp Champion
Plasma Pistol
Total of 163 pts


Heavy Support

1 Chaos Defiler
Havoc Launcher
Reaper -> Twin-Linked Lascannons
Indirect Fire
Daemonic Possession
Dirge Caster
Parasitic Possession
Mutated Hull
Total of 320 pts

What, if anything is good on his list, and what changes should be made? (like focus on getting a rhino or bikers in there since he has 2 CSM squads, 1 Khorne Berserker Squad, 3 Bikers, 1 Rhino, 1 Defiler and a Lord HQ for models right now, since he just started)

Thanks for any help
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Old 03 Jul 2007, 14:17   #2 (permalink)
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Overall, the defiler is a little bit overpriced for my liking. One lucky shot and you have 32% of his army gone...

And the Lord doesn't have any weapons, even if he just had two CCW's it would give him a benefit for all of 2 pts
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Old 04 Jul 2007, 00:48   #3 (permalink)
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I really, don't know what he has in mind, I don't know anything about chaos so i told him to put his army list up on the chaos bords. I tried reading through the codex but there is a lot of stuff in there and it seems to get pretty complicated, I'm used to playing upfront armies like tau and Guard where the things you put in your army are plain and simple and you only have a few options for wargear and such. If anything I'd say give him some advice and examples of how to equip and feild each unit. I believe he bought the battle box (i can't remember whats in that) the defiler and another box of normal csm. I'm guessing for the amount of models he has his ideal point list would be 1000 points. So far from what I've seen him play he has shiney things syndrome and likes to throw all kinds of wargear on things and he ends up playing large point battles with few models. Any help would be awesome cause I'd like to start playing some good games with him and build up his battle experience.
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Old 04 Jul 2007, 16:03   #4 (permalink)
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HQ - Chaos Lord/ Daemon Prince

Daemon Armour
Daemonic Aura
Daemonic Essence
Total of 110 pts
Freakishly resilient, and utterly useless offensively. Screw Essence, get a Power Weapon, Bolt Pistol, and some kind of movement enhancement (Speed or Flight). Alternatively, mount in a Rhino with the troops.


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7 CSM + 1 Asp Champion CSM
1 Heavy Bolter
1 Plasma Rifle
Furious Charge
Asp Champion
Plasma Pistol
Total of 179 pts
Despicable. An assault-oriented squad with no CC-tooled champion and a heavy weapon! Not to mention the lack of transport of Infiltrate, meaning that the squad will probably never see combart.

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11 Khorne Berserkers + 1 Asp Champion
Furious Charge
Blood Frenzy
Total of 229 pts
This squad counts as Elite, owing to the lack of a Mark of Khorne on the Lord. Get Chainaxes while you still can! Not to mention a transport vehicle, and less models so they can fit inside...

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7 CSM + 1 Asp Champion CSM
Frag Grenades
1 Heavy Bolter
1 Plasma Rifle
Asp Champion
Plasma Pistol
Total of 163 pts
As bad as the first squad...

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1 Chaos Defiler
Havoc Launcher
Reaper -> Twin-Linked Lascannons
Indirect Fire
Daemonic Possession
Dirge Caster
Parasitic Possession
Mutated Hull
Total of 320 pts
This takes "shiny sindrome to a whole new level :sadnshocked:...

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With basically the same models, I'd do something like this...

HQ:
Chaos Lieutenant - 97pts
Power Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades
Daemonic Armour, Daemonic Aura

Elites:
9 Khorne Berzerkers - 261pts
Chainaxes
Aspiring Champion w/ Power Fist
Chaos Rhino w/ Smoke Launcher

Troops:
10 Chaos Space Marines - 218pts
Infiltrate
Plasmagun, Heavy Bolter

10 Chaos Space Marines - 218pts
Infiltrate
Plasmagun, Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support:
Defiler - 205pts
Indirect Fire, Mutated Hull

Should bring you up to 999 points, and only require him to get the Rhino.
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Old 04 Jul 2007, 21:08   #5 (permalink)
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Obviously I still have to learn what I am actually doing in this game. Waters got me the box of 8 marines last summer, and I bought my Defiler and Lord that same summer, took me till christmas to buy the starter set and I put everything together at school, but I rarely have played or gone over army lists and such.

I appreciate and thank you guys for the replies, I like the last army quite a bit, but 1 thing is that I only have 16 CSM, not 20, so if you suggest to have the two squads of 10, should i pick up another small pack of CSM? And what other models should I get for the future?
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Old 05 Jul 2007, 00:44   #6 (permalink)
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Definetly buy another box of CSM's their the spine of your army.

I would wait untill the new codex comes out to think of what to buy next.

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Old 05 Jul 2007, 03:53   #7 (permalink)
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I appreciate and thank you guys for the replies, I like the last army quite a bit, but 1 thing is that I only have 16 CSM, not 20, so if you suggest to have the two squads of 10, should i pick up another small pack of CSM? And what other models should I get for the future?
I threw in the extra models just to bring the list up to 1000 points. Two squads of 8 would do nicely, and dropping the Defiler and Rhino would probably make you a good 750 point list.
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Old 05 Jul 2007, 06:24   #8 (permalink)
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Chaos Lietenant: Bolt pistol, Armour, Darkblade, Infiltrate, Furious charge=121 (tags along with Infiltrating CSM)
hmmmn it looks as if you have 16 CSM divided by two, maybe this would help!
5 CSM 1 Heavybolter=75
5 CSM 1 Heavybolter=75
6 CSM, 2 plasma Guns, Aspiring champ plasma pistol, power weapon, D strength, Furious charge, Infiltrate=166

Defilers way overdone! just take the defiler with no upgrades!=150

6 Khorne Berserkers, Chainaxes, Champ with chain axe=133
6 Khorne Berserkers, Chainaxes, Champ with chain axe=133
total= 853
In a 1000 pt game its good to split your troops a bit 1 russ can wipe out 8 CSM in a turn but now it would need to target 5 squads where its killing power is limited.

He has 147 points left, thats [b]2 obilterators[b] or more CSM, but every one loves obliterators!!!
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Old 05 Jul 2007, 19:43   #9 (permalink)
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don't forget frags for your lord! Its essential.
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 05:15   #10 (permalink)
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Your Dead right Atomahawk, in the absense of a doom siren, Frags are essential for any character!
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