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Old 31 Mar 2007, 07:00   #1 (permalink)
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Default Chaos Characters - Overpowered?

Hey all,
In my experience of the game, chaos characters are in general, overpowered. Take this for example:
Chaos L.t
Dark Blade
Bolt Pistol
Resillience
Speed
Frags
That's 97 points for an exetremely fast character, punching out 5 strength 6 power weapon attacks on the charge with a high toughness and striking equal with those in cover, for under a hundred points!
That is what I used today, it swallows marine squads in two turns.
What I have said here doesn't even go into Daemon Princes.
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 07:08   #2 (permalink)
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Chaos characters are strong, but I'm not certain that labeling a component of an army as overpowered is fair. The codex has to be judged as a whole, against the full spectrum of opponents. Even if Chaos had the best characters (that is, points on Chaos characters were more effective than points on any other army's Independent Characters) the codex might well be balanced or even underpowered.

The only non theory-hammer data we can get (GW tournament results posts) only discriminates at the win/loss level for whole lists. Thus is seems improper to me to get more specialized than the codex level when discussing overpowered status.
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 07:14   #3 (permalink)
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True,
I am not labelling the army as a whole overpowered. Only the characters.
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 07:26   #4 (permalink)
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Yes they are powerful.

yes they can kill almost anything within a turn or two.

BUT they are charachtful. And can be customised to your hearts content. Like anythin thats really powerful: just deal with it.

I won't go into it, but my DQ has had her arse kicked by a mass of gaunts and marines. Generally they may be powerful, but they can still be killed with relitive ease. Just drag a power weapon or fist and watch what happens when that daemon armour is reduced to 5+.
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Old 31 Mar 2007, 19:59   #5 (permalink)
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Nah, its not necessarily that they're overpowered, it just depends on what weapons, wargear and gifts you give them, and how they are used.
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Default Re: Chaos Characters - Overpowered?

Powerful? Yes.

Too powerful? No. If you want to talk too powerful, go shake hands with a Hive Tyrant. For the same point cost, they put most of your Chaos HQ dreams to shame.

Chaos is supposed to have more powerful characters; they're beyond the word veteran, they're Lts., Lords., Daemon Princes. There's other things we miss out on, things we lack in exchange for this personal power.

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Old 01 Apr 2007, 11:26   #7 (permalink)
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Space marines can have 6 heroes
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Old 01 Apr 2007, 19:05   #8 (permalink)
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I think a slight tone-down would be good, but I agree that chaos lords are supposed to be absolutely frightening. Just reign in some of the more nutty "he'll wipe out you're entire army without a scratch" ones and I'll be happy. Slaaneshi lords can be damn near unstoppable with the right wargear (and that's without the horrendous siren power)
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Old 02 Apr 2007, 11:48   #9 (permalink)
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yeah, and people question me not taking siren...
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Old 02 Apr 2007, 12:30   #10 (permalink)
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I'm just wondering why your Lt had a daemon weapon (I know its usually better to give them to your Lt) fluff wise though you would think that the Lord/Daemon prince would be the one to take it. Especially considering you have to take a leadership test after the close combat where you kill even a single model...
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