[SnipingRanger]

hey, heres an army list that I think I will use soon.

HQ
Chaos Lt.
-bolt pistol
-power weapon
-D. Resilience
-D. Speed
-D strength
-D visage

Total:101

Troops

Squad I:
-8 marines
-bolters
-Stealth Adept

Total: 120

Squad II:
-8 marines
-bolt pistol/CC weapon
AC: D. Visage, Power fist
-Stealth Adept
# Infiltrate
Total: 174

Squad III:
-8 marines
-bolters
-Meltagun
-Flamer
-Stealth Adept
AC: Powerfist
# infiltrate
Total: 177

Fast Attack

Raptors I:
-6 raptors
-meltagun
-AC: power weapon, D. Visage
-Furious Charge

Total: 227

Heavy Support:
Chaos Havocs
-6 marines
-Stealth Adept
-bolters
-2 Missle Launchers
-1 Lascannon
-1 Autocannon
#infiltrate

Total: 203

TOTAL: 1000

what do you guys think? any help will be appreciated.
Troops 2 and 3 are infiltrating, so they'll get close to combat soon. Troop 1 will backup the other squads
with their bolters.
The havocs are also infiltrating, taking down vehicles/heavy troops fast before they are killed.
The raptors basically will just kill squads. Do you think I should give them and the lord infiltrate?

Thanks

[MalVeauX]

Hey man,

Everything actually looks well in order, except one thing:

Heavy Support:
Chaos Havocs
-6 marines
-Stealth Adept
-bolters
-2 Missle Launchers
-1 Lascannon
-1 Autocannon
#infiltrate

Total: 203

I highly, highly recommend you avoid this.
And to know why, please look at this thread: http://forums.tauonline.org/index.ph...5513#msg265513

Otherwise, you're golden

Cheers!

[IAmAngel.]

HQ
Chaos Lt.
-bolt pistol
-power weapon
-D. Resilience
-D. Speed
-D strength
-D visage

If you switch out the power weapon and d. strength for a Dark Blade, you gain an extra strength for the same point cost if my memory serves me correctly.

Ben

[07mikevick07]

Yea definately change the havocs. *Tankhunting autocannons are an excellent combo for havocs. *They provide nice anti-tank support and good anti-infantry fire. *I would say use this setup:

Chaos Havocs x 6
bolters
stealth adept
infiltrate
tank hunters
3x autocannons
(186pts)


They provide great balance because of the 6 s8 shots you will get. *Also with your remaining points, I would infiltrate that lord.

Now the rest looks pretty good, but personally I would try to make everything infiltrate. *

Just take off the melta gun from the raptor squad and daemonic visage(they already have it). *Replace furious charge with infiltrate.

Also take off d visage from the one champ and stealth adept from the 8 man team of bolters. *Then add infiltrate to them and voila.


Yea, switch out the power weapon and d strength for the dark blade(just like inquisitor hause suggested).* I did this on my list before.* Totally slipped my mind.

[SnipingRanger]

Originally Posted by 07mikevick07

Yea definately change the havocs. Tankhunting autocannons are an excellent combo for havocs. They provide nice anti-tank support and good anti-infantry fire. I would say use this setup:

Chaos Havocs x 6
bolters
stealth adept
infiltrate
tank hunters
3x autocannons
(186pts)


They provide great balance because of the 6 s8 shots you will get. Also with your remaining points, I would infiltrate that lord.

Now the rest looks pretty good, but personally I would try to make everything infiltrate.

Just take off the melta gun from the raptor squad and daemonic visage(they already have it). Replace furious charge with infiltrate.

Also take off d visage from the one champ and stealth adept from the 8 man team of bolters. Then add infiltrate to them and voila.


Yea, switch out the power weapon and d strength for the dark blade(just like inquisitor hause suggested). I did this on my list before. Totally slipped my mind.

Alright, I will definetly change my Havoc squad, I think i will use your example mikevick.
Ackk, I completely forgot about D. Visage, and raptors already having that. But I dunno about taking off furious charge. If I was playing marines, that extra initiative can come really in handy, and plus strength to crack through almost any infantry's armor.
The meltagun is because the raptor box set comes with a model w/ a meltagun, so, I might as well use him.

I can see how Stealth Adept wouldn't be really nessecary for Troop I, but the reason I have D. Visage was because of "fluff" and I think it's pretty good. If they win an assault, that means it'll be more likely that they will fail their morale check. It can be pretty useful in tight situations.

the Darkblade: well, I thought about that before, but its a daemon weapon. So with all my daemonic gifts, wouldn't it overpass the gift limit and he would have to become a Daemon prince? I dont know if I read it wrong, or my book is not up to date, but under the chaos lord section, it says that if a lord has over 50 pts of Daemonic abilities, it can claim to be a prince.
does that mean you have the option of it becoming one, or it must become one?
Does this apply to lieutenants also?

[IAmAngel.]

It means you automatically become a D. Prince. You don't get to choose. But, I'd still take the Dark Blade. It isn't really that bad to be a D. Prince. The main drawback, is things that effect Daemons in paticular. You don't have to model it on a larger base either, as long as it doens't have D. Stature.

Ben

[07mikevick07]

I always thought it was optional. Since it says, it can claim to be a daemon prince, it doesn't actually say that it is automatically one.

[MalVeauX]

Originally Posted by 07mikevick07

I always thought it was optional. Since it says, it can claim to be a daemon prince, it doesn't actually say that it is automatically one.

The thing is, you can call it whatever you want, but rule-wise, the following is what there is:

1 - If the Chaos Lord has more than 50 points of daemonic gifts (51+), he is a Daemon for the purpose of rules which effect daemons (such as grey knight special powers, attacks, weapons, etc which do something specifically to daemons).

2 - If the Chaos Lord has Daemonic Stature, he automatically is considered a Daemon regardless of the amount of daemonic gift points he purchases and is thus effected by things which have special abilities against Daemons (read above again).

3 - Chaos Lt. can never become Daemons (daemon prince), because they cannot have More than 50 points of daemonic gift (nor Aspiring Champions for that matter).

The thing is Daemon Prince has zero bearing in the game. It's just a name. The only thing that does matter, is that if he counts as a Daemon, because there are things in the game which require the target to be a daemon in order for it to work (read: grey knight powers, weapons, abilities, etc).

Cheers!

[SnipingRanger]

Thanks for clearing that up Mal, I think now I will go with the dark blade, even if Grey Knights have an advantage against me (but I dont thing there are any DH players near my local GW.. :funny

[MalVeauX]

Originally Posted by SnipingRanger

Thanks for clearing that up Mal, I think now I will go with the dark blade, even if Grey Knights have an advantage against me (but I dont thing there are any DH players near my local GW.. :funny

Just a note: Even if you are a daemon there is still very little to worry about. Just avoid a Grey Knight Grand Master or a very deeply buried Inquisitor with a Daemonhammer and you will never really feel the effects of those items and wargears. And since that stuff is really only fielded on HQ, just keep that simple rule: Do not assault Daemonhunter HQs with your Chaos Lord. Then you're safe to butcher everything else at your will.

Cheers!